Mark,Did you mean NET? Or did you mean to say NWT? The NET is written by trinitarians, the NWT by the JW's. And I like them both.Mark, you'll find that the NET shows the actual Greek and Hebrew words. That's where I look.But you'll find that no translation ever really says that Jesus is God. Sure, they cap the “G” sometimes, but when you…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Feb. 01 2011,12:10)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 01 2011,11:55)Quote (mikeangel @ Feb. 01 2011,11:51)Is Mikebol's spirit a different entity than Mikeboll?Hi Mark,I don't believe so.  Just as I don't believe the Father's Spirit is a different entity than Him.mikeExactly. Theres no differance. They are one. And Jesus said he was one…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 01 2011,12:14)It doesn't mean 'of God', it's meaning is God referring to himself.Oh brother. Now I've heard it all.Ed, please post your expert Greek witness to this effect.mike

Quote (mikeangel @ Feb. 01 2011,12:03)Out of curiousity, how is this smart aleck? I don't know enough about greek to say (it's all greek to me ) Is he wrong or is that correct in greek?Peace-MarkHi Mark,You missed the beginning of the conversation. Ed and I both know very well that the Greeks used what is called a genetive form of various…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Feb. 01 2011,10:49)He manifested into being human, and that spirit lived among us in human form, and died and was tortured for us,Hi Mark,Your God can be tortured and even KILLED by mere human beings?  Mine can't.  Mine is from “everlasting to everlasting” according to Moses.  He has never died, nor can He.  He did however, sen…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Feb. 01 2011,11:51)Is Mikebol's spirit a different entity than Mikeboll?Hi Mark,I don't believe so. Just as I don't believe the Father's Spirit is a different entity than Him.mike

Hi Mark,I don't quite understand your posts.  I have never “belittled” the Holy Spirit. And I knew which passage you referred to in #2. And like I said, it says nothing about the Father as a separate individual from the Holy Spirit.As far as your other two points:  Is there a reason you think they say that Jesus is God Almighty?  I'm not fo…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 31 2011,18:23)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 31 2011,09:58)Ed, how did the Greeks express possession? How would they write “Spirit OF God”, for instance?mikeHi Mike,By using the genitive form of a word…   θεου …is the genitive singularMatt.12:28: But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto y…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Feb. 01 2011,10:11)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 01 2011,03:11)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 31 2011,16:10)Seriously im tired of your games,As am I of yours.  Goodbye.  mikeYa run run away. Dont ever state that i ran away from you points ever again or ill just have you reported for stating lies.You run away from my POINTS all t…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 01 2011,08:33)MartyJesus made it clear that the Holy Ghost was “another” and not the Father proceeding from himself.Keith,By YOUR understanding, YHVH's long, powerful, outstretched arm is also a member of the “Godhead”. For it is often referred to poetically as if a separate power from the being of God Himself.mike

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 01 2011,08:16)Quote (thankful @ Jan. 31 2011,15:35)hello worshippingjesus, i have a question i would like answered by a trinitarian and i see you may be one ?why did yahshua say that he could only do what he saw his father doing?thankyou.Hi And welcome!Good question, the answer is because he is in very nature God,…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Feb. 01 2011,06:25)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 31 2011,10:37)Hi Marty,You have spoken correctly this time.  GOD is the Father of Jesus.  NOT God's Holy Spirit.  God's Holy Spirit is the “tool” God used to impregnate Mary, like a human male will impregnate someone BY MEANS OF his penis.  But the penis does not become the father of the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 01 2011,04:55)Sure MikeIsaiah, the Apostles, John, Philip, Peter, Jude the ForeFathers and the many millions of TrinitariansHi Keith,I separated your list of people above.  Please try not to list the former, who NEVER taught that Jesus is God Almighty, with the latter, who are merely confused mortal men whose…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 01 2011,04:47)That is wishful thinking isn't it, since being called Elohim or Theos “can mean one is God Almighty“? Absolutely it can.  But “CAN” and “MAYBE” in not enough to invent a son that can be the same exact being as his father, is it?    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 01 2011,04:47)All you have done is ig…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 31 2011,16:10)Seriously im tired of your games,As am I of yours. Goodbye. mike

My logic is perfectly accurate Ed.

Ed,My fist will never on its own assault someone. The BEING OF MIKE can assault someone USING his fist. But the fist cannot on its own assault anyone.And if the Holy Spirit isn't the “entirety of YHVH”, then who is Jesus' Father? Is a PART of the “entirety of YHVH” the Father of Christ? The WHOLE God is not Jesus' Father, just a PART OF HIM…[Read more]

Yes Ed,We ARE called the “body of Christ”.  Does scripture say all things were created through the “body of Christ”?  You are diverting things Ed.  I won't continue with you when you do this.  You've done it with the word “OF” again, even though we've been through all the genetive form stuff before.And you're refusing to address my point here.  Yo…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 31 2011,10:31)God's finger is the “HolySpirit”. (Luke 11:20)Hi Ed,Let's take all of your “proof” scriptures one at a time and see if we can get anywhere, okay?Luke 11:20…………what does that say?  It speaks of the finger…………OF………….God, right?Again, what does that word “OF” mean?  Is the finger OF Ed the a…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 31 2011,11:28)Isaiah 44: 28……> That saith of Cyrus, he is my Shepard, and shall perform all my pleasure;………..> that was said 200 years before Cyrus was born or even came into existence.Hey Gene,Show me the scripture where Cyrus spoke of the glory HE HAD alongside God 200 years before he was born.Then you'll…[Read more]