Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 06 2011,10:22)Paul said that He is now the “immortal King of kings and Lord of lords whom no eye has seen nor can see” (1 Timothy 6:16).I charge you 14 to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 which God will bring about in his own time—God, the blessed and only Ruler, t…[Read more]

Hi Pierre,I agree with what you posted…………..I just don't know why you posted it. Hi Adam,”there are MANY who are called gods……………..yet for us, there is but one God”.Adam, I'm still waiting for any of you to explain how Jesus WAS already a human being at the time he was “made in the likeness of a human being”. Does that make…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 06 2011,17:14)Jesus was a SON of MAN 87 times it is said that, when are you going to start to believe it.You're doing it again, Gene.When did any of us say that Jesus was NOT the “Son of Man”? I hate it when you do this.You should be answering how Jesus could have already BEEN a man when he was made in the likeness of…[Read more]

Hi Gene,Nothing you posted answers my point that I just restated to Marty. Nor does it answer Irene's point about first “emptying himself” and THEN “being made as a human being”.You post scriptural truths that none of us have ever disagreed with, but you post them in such a way that it seems as if you're proving something to us that we argued…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Feb. 06 2011,07:45)But he did not let these facts go to his head, but emptied himselfAnd again Marty,If Jesus never HAD this conceited “I'm better than you” attitude in the first place, then he couldn't have “emptied himself” of it.Get it? In order to “empty himself” OF something, he had to have had that something to start…[Read more]

Hi Keith,I didn't leave anything out.  I placed the word “our” in front of Lord, just like the KJV did.  I don't have the JW's Greek interlinear in front of me right now, but I assume it says “Lord OF US, Jesus Christ” which we in English put as “OUR Lord, Jesus Christ”.  I'll look into it when I get home tomorrow, okay?And you must be joking ab…[Read more]

I had asked Keith:Does Psalm 16:8 imply that David and God are equals?Keith responded:Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 06 2011,03:14) Mike the answer is Yes, because if David is at the right hand of YHVH then he is equal to being YHVH as far as everyone else is concerned because it is YHVH doing the work through the vice-regent David.Wow!  I don't…[Read more]

Keith,Read your own words:the only Master AND our Lord Jesus ChristAgain, do you have any solid evidence that it CAN'T POSSIBLY be the way the KJV translated it?  (Minus the word “God” of course, since the oldest mss don't have that word.)Keith, it is very obvious that AT Robertson and every other trinitarian biased scholar out there WANTS it to…[Read more]

Thanks Paladin,I added it in to the list. Good one. mike

Keith, Are you saying that the way the KJV translated it CANNOT POSSIBLY be the translation – minus the word “God”?Are you COMPLETELY SURE that the Greek text simply doesn't allow for “denying our only Sovereign, AND the Lord Jesus Christ”?When you are SURE of this fact, hit me up. Until then, it is abiguous as any kind of “proof text” that Jesus…[Read more]

Btw Keith,You did NOT answer my bolded question from before. Would you please do so?mike

Yes Keith,Jesus is MUCH greater than David.  Is this going to be your fallback answer to everything?  Let's analyze your claim about David “switching around”, okay?1 Jehovah says to my lord:   “Sit at my right hand   until I make your enemies   a footstool for your feet.”This is a simple case of teaching that Jesus will be God's right hand man…[Read more]

And where are you, Jack? I saw you over in the “Jesus body” thread spouting off about the TWOT and MY misunderstanding of it. Where are you now that I've explained YOUR misunderstanding of it and THEIR inaccuracy as compared against scripture itself? Keith needs your help with Psalm 16:8, Jack. Don't let him down.mike

Hi Keith,Read Psalm 16:8 that I posted. Was David saying that God sat at HIS right hand, or that God was “at his right hand” protecting and strengthening him?Does 16:8 imply that David and God are equals? If not, what DOES it imply?Think this out Keith. Verse 5 is using the idiom of “right hand” in ONE way, while verse 1 uses it the other…[Read more]

For Kerwin and Gene:Romans 3:23 NIVfor all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,Romans 5:12 NIVTherefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—Romans 7 NIV14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I d…[Read more]

Hi Ed,The POINT is that the verse could be translated either way, based on the construction. And considering what 17:8 says, I believe that NETNotes makes a valid AND sensible point. Jesus wasn't “slain from the foundation of the world”. He was slain in A.D 33 (aproximately).Now, Google translate Psalm 45:6 and post the results for us, okay?mike

Yeah, I know Pierre,I remember telling Shimmer that I looked at this extra hard simply because you and Georg and Irene didn't agree with me, and I respect you guy's scriptural knowledge.But I just cannot accept that Jesus would have LIED to his disciples by telling them he was NOT a spirit when he was.But we don't have to rehash this over here…[Read more]

Me too. So, how IS the wizard these days?mike

Psalm 69:28 NIVMay they be blotted out of the book of life and not be listed with the righteous.

Likewise.