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    Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 08 2011,11:39)Jesus is Son over His own house. In Hebrew culture the son was not a servant.5 And Moses indeed was faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which would be spoken afterward, 6 but Christ as a Son over HIS OWN house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the…[Read more]

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    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 08 2011,09:18)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 07 2011,17:02)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Feb. 08 2011,02:09)But Joseph DID not do what Pharaohs exact works.Jesus did the exact works of the Father.Hi D,So if YOU did the same works as Keith did, would you and Keith be the same identical being?mikeWe Aren't God.But if he did the…[Read more]

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    Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 08 2011,08:39)But we know that there is only one throne.David's throne = Christ's throne = the Father's throneRun for your sanity! We're gaining new members of the “Godhead” by the minute, here! :DJack, Jesus has a “MY throne”, while his Father has a “HIS throne”. Look at Rev 3:21.There are definitely TWO…[Read more]

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    Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 08 2011,07:22)Mikeboll said:Quote If YHVH being at David’s right hand is doing the works then that means that David to everyone else is “equal” to YHVH, unless you are saying they are David’s works and not YHVHs.The word “adonay” means “MY Lord” (God). Are you saying that YHWH is calling Himself, “MY Lord”? Or are you…[Read more]

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    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 08 2011,05:51)The problem you have is David didn’t do the works of God but is merely a vice-regent. However Jesus does the works.Show me the scripture where Jesus did any works ON HIS OWN. Show me where he claimed it was by his OWN power, and NOT by the power of his Father, who was doing the works THROUGH him.mike

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    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 08 2011,05:51)Why don’t you answer the question…Is David’s right hand equal to the right hand of God if God is at it? A simple yes or no will suffice. :)Absolutely NOT.Job 40:14 NIVThen I myself will admit to you that your own right hand can save you.God was at the right hand of Job all of his life. Apparently, based…[Read more]

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    Oh brother…………..where to start?  Keith, I have no choice but to list some bolded questions for you.  They will mostly be “YES” or “NO” questions.  But you have gone off the deep end here, and I must try to get you back to reality………or at least find out what things I need to work with you on.  Please answer the questions, oka…[Read more]

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    Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Feb. 08 2011,02:09)But Joseph DID not do what Pharaohs exact works.Jesus did the exact works of the Father.Hi D,So if YOU did the same works as Keith did, would you and Keith be the same identical being?mike

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 15 years, 9 months ago

    Quote (942767 @ Feb. 07 2011,06:38)Hi Mike:What the scripture actually states: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7But made himself of no reputationOkay Marty.  But still that doesn't answer my point.  You can not “empty yourself” if you were never “full”, right?You can not “make yourself of no r…[Read more]

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    Hi Ed,One way says names have been written the the book of life from the foundation of the world.The other way says the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world.I think the former makes more sense.mike

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    For Keith:Wikipedia on “right hand”,It is also a placement next to God in heaven, in the traditional place of honour, mentioned in the New Testament as the place of Christ at Mark 16:19.In the Bible, to be at the right side is to be identified as being in the special place of honor.From the website “Let us Reason”,To sit at ones right hand means a…[Read more]

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 15 years, 9 months ago

    Hi Irene,Gene can't logically address the issues and scriptures we post, so instead he creates diversions like calling us Gnostics and Trinitarians and implying we don't believe Jesus was ever a man or that he is the Son of Man.It is his way of avoiding the real issues and scriptures.mike

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    Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 07 2011,03:59)Mikewere is that written that Jesus touched dead corps,Hi Pierre,Luke 8 NIV52 Meanwhile, all the people were wailing and mourning for her. “Stop wailing,” Jesus said. “She is not dead but asleep.” 53 They laughed at him, knowing that she was dead. 54 But he took her by the hand and said, “My child, get up!”…[Read more]

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    Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 05 2011,14:57)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 05 2011,14:36)Hi Ed,The POINT is that the verse could be translated either way, based on the construction.  And considering what 17:8 says, I believe that NETNotes makes a valid AND sensible point.  Jesus wasn't “slain from the foundation of the world”.  He was slain in A.D 33 (a…[Read more]

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    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 06 2011,09:42)What does “One Lord” or “Only Master” mean to you Mike?It means that they may have had slaves who had earthly masters but who was their “One Lord” and “One Master”?Slaves, obey your human mastersNow you're getting my point.  Do you see how “ONLY” doesn't necessarily literally mean “ONLY”?You show a…[Read more]

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 15 years, 9 months ago

    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 07 2011,02:49)Mike………..Jesus was not a human being until he came into existence as one.Truer words have never been spoken, Gene.And since he came into existence as a human being when he was “made in the likeness of a human being”, that means the rest of Phil 2 happened BEFORE he was a human being. Get it?He was…[Read more]

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    Gene, Read it again:Romans 5:12 NIVTherefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—Sin entered the world throuh ONE MAN, and in this way, sin and death came to ALL PEOPLE. It doesn't say “everyone except Kerwin and Gene”, but ALL PEOPLE. :)Gene, if sin c…[Read more]

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    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 06 2011,09:06)If YHVH being at David’s right hand is doing the works then that means that David to everyone else is “equal” to YHVH, unless you are saying they are David’s works and not YHVHs.Are you for real, Keith?  ???  Because God fights for David, now David is EQUAL to his God?  Where do you come up with this stuff…[Read more]

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    Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 06 2011,06:01)Lev 21:11 He must not enter a place where there is a dead body. He must not make himself unclean, even for his father or mother,Hi Pierre,I understand your point by using this scripture, but we know that Jesus touched dead bodies during his ministry, and rasied them to life. Same with Elijah and Elisha.So I…[Read more]

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    Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Feb. 06 2011,19:44)When Jesus cleaned out sheol of all His saints in ad70 it was cast into the lake of fire. From that point on His saints go straight to heaven in their heavenly body (2 Cor. 4:16-5:5). Their fleshly bodies are recycled.And where do those who are not saints go?mike

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