Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 23 2011,09:04)Beget to you means that God begets a being that is not like him, but some sort of half breed.No, beget to me means that God begets a being that is VERY MUCH like Him………but just not Him. Just like it happens for us Keith. Our sons are very much like us…………but not us.It's really pretty simple.

Hi Keith,Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 23 2011,09:04)It doesn't matter what your opinion is Mike because every one knows that for God to beget a Son would mean that his being would have to be the exact same in nature as the Fathers being.My son has the same nature as I do………but he is not me.  Jesus has the same nature as his God, but he is…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 23 2011,10:26)What, are you stacking the commentary of non Biblical scholars like the biased Watch Tower commitee against 25 Biblical Hebrew and Greek scholars? No, I'm posting the SCHOLAR that they quoted as saying, “the great God AND our Savior Jesus Christ” is GRAMMATICALLY POSSIBLE……………..and…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 23 2011,10:01)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 22 2011,20:53)What I have done is point out to you that even IF your preferred translation of 2:13 is the correct one, it is still only a case of Jesus being called “theos”.Mike No it is “Great theos” not just “theos”. Do you know of any other called “My Great theos and Savour”?…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 23 2011,09:43)It is all about context Mike. Jesus is God and the facts back it up.No SCRIPTURAL fact backs that up at all.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 23 2011,09:43)Nothing has come into being without himThat's because his God chose to create all things through him.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 23 2011,09:43)and…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 23 2011,16:20)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 22 2011,20:32)Hi All,I said to Keith in the “Mike vs Francis” thread:Quote If there are others called elohim who are neither God Almighty nor false gods, then JUST being called “elohim” is not proof of being God Almighty.Keith responded:Quote Isn't that what Francis, D, and Jack…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 23 2011,09:43)But for some reason I never hear you call him your god. All you ever do is claim that he is not god. What gives Mike?I have told you this many times, Keith. This time I will post it in my new thread about points that need not be brought up again, just so we're all sure about my DIRECT and COMPLETE…[Read more]

Hi Keith,Don't you even notice that all you do is try to recirculate the same flawed “proof texts” over and over?  Of course you do.    That's all you have.   Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 23 2011,09:43)you have admitted that “being called God can mean that one is God“.Yes Keith, I said that.  And seeing how YHVH is called “god” many times in s…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 22 2011,03:32)Mike,God is not tempted by evil and human beings are. I believe you would be better to use the angels as an example in your argument as they were tempted and those who did not fall instead walked by the Spirit.Hi Kerwin,I haven't the foggiest what you are talking about. I have suggested you post what the other…[Read more]

Quote (karmarie @ Feb. 23 2011,01:43)Mike and all, it is obvious from the scripture that you want me to explain Mike, 1 corinthians 15 that Jesus is the first to be given a glorified body risen from the dead. Then were others. That's what the verses are talking about.Hi Kar,If you are right, then the scripture would have said, “as is the heavenly…[Read more]

Thanks Ed.

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 22 2011,14:37)Mikethose are the early words of God;Dt 4:29 But if from there you seek the LORD your God, you will find him if you look for him with all your heart and with all your soul. Dt 6:5 Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. Dt 10:12 And now, O Israel, what…[Read more]

Hi Georg,Name one single scripture you quoted that proves my understanding to be flawed.Quote (Baker @ Feb. 22 2011,07:28)and the dead in Christ shall rise first:  The “DEAD” Mike, the dead shall rise first.Why would those souls already living in heaven have a need to “rise”?  Jesus said that not all STANDING HERE will taste death.  Your sc…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Feb. 21 2011,21:53)Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. I believe here it is SpiritHi Irene,If the spirit goes back to Him who gave it, then it is not “destroyed”, right?But the soul of the sinner is destroyed.…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 21 2011,21:29)so the image of US and OUR to me would be “to be the ruler of the earth just like Christ is over all Gods creation and God is the ruler of all creation .Thanks for sharing your understanding of it. I remain undecided about what “in our image” means.peace and love,mike

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Feb. 22 2011,12:42)WJ and I are still waiting for one of you guys to give a negation statement such as, “Christ is NOT God.”Are you kidding?  Isn't the title “Christ” enough?  “Christ” refers to one who was anointed BY God.  Did God anoint Himself?  How about the fact that we have but ONE God, THE FATHER.  And Jesus is t…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 22 2011,15:19)Both the Father and Jesus are called God in scriptures and we know they are One. Not only that but according to Tit 2:13, John 20:28 he is our Lord and Great God.Yeah Keith,But wasn't it you who said, “just because Jesus is called God does not mean he is God”?  mike

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 22 2011,14:58)EDIt has nothing to do with “No” greek articles.This is the NETs commentary on Tit 2:13 which explains the GSR.The terms “God and Savior” both refer to the same person, Jesus Christ. This is one of the clearest statements in the NT concerning the deity of Christ. The construction in Greek is known as…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Feb. 22 2011,02:23)You have not disputed that Jesus is called God in Titus 2:13.Jack,What I have done is point out to you that even IF your preferred translation of 2:13 is the correct one, it is still only a case of Jesus being called “theos”. I did not say “God”, so don't put words in my mouth.And we have already both…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 21 2011,23:53)When you thank the Lord, it is often accompanied by thanking God as a sign of respect and gratitude (* see examples below) and because he is invisible, it is not like Thomas could talk to the Father face to face anway.I am not arguing either way on this, but spelling out what I think the possibilities are. In both…[Read more]