Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 16 2011,09:37)Mike……….As to you Angels in revelations that word is just as easily used as MESSENGERS< and some commentaries even say it means people and rulers of this earth who are being controlled by the spirit (intellect) of an adversary. Mike you really need to go a read what Jodi has posted about satan and…[Read more]

You're getting closer to the truth all the time, Gene.You are right that a spoken word doesn't become flesh.  On this fact we agree.So, now what?  Do we start adding our own words into the scripture to make it say “the word came to be IN someone who was flesh” – even though that's not what the scripture says?OR………………do we look for o…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 16 2011,14:34)If everyone has the same God then why did Jesus call certain Jews “children of the devil”? Are they children of God and children of the devil at the same time?Are we really discussing this?  Is there another God who created some of the people on earth?    Of course everyone has the same God, Jehovah.  T…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 16 2011,11:32)Hi t8Well the Hebrew text you quote does not read they are “angels” ( mal'ak) but rather the are “sons of God” (ben)The Hebrew word for “angels” is mal'ak and the Hebrew word for “sons of God” is ben.4 “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?   Tell me, if you understand. 5 Who marked off…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ Mar. 16 2011,08:13)God promised Jesus glory, before the world was created;Where did you read that?  What I have read has Jesus asking his God to glorify him with the glory “I HAD ALONGSIDE YOU BEFORE THE WORLD EXISTED”.You must think Jesus had glory alongside God as a DNA before the world, and therefore Adam, even existed?  It's h…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ Mar. 16 2011,04:25)Hi Mike,  I know this question is directed towards Paladin:Quote I have not seen an answer to my question about who the “one man” is in Romans 5, and the scriptures you posted today surely don't answer my question.  I want a NAME of the “one man” in Romans 5 – can you list the NAME of that person?But, i think h…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 16 2011,07:52)Mike………No Jesus did not teach, a man can kill you but not your soul, that is you addition to what he said. He said Man could not (destory) the Soul , he did not say he could not Kill it. You getting Kill mixed up with Destroy they are not the same word. Destroy is to eliminate forever.Matthew 10:28…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 16 2011,09:44)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 15 2011,21:40)Dr. Jason BeDuhn (of Northern Arizona University) in regard to the Kingdom Interlinear's appendix that gives the reason why the NWT favoured a translation of John 1:1 as saying the Word was not “God” but “a god” said: “In fact the KIT explanation is perfectly…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 16 2011,10:26)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 15 2011,21:40)C. H. Dodd says: “If a translation were a matter of substituting words, a possible translation of ; would be, “The Word was a god”. As a word-for-word translation it cannot be faulted.”Once again we have a Trinitarian who is a Protestant Theologian without any…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 16 2011,10:10)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 15 2011,21:40)Murray J. Harris has written: “Accordingly, from the point of view of grammar alone, could be rendered “the Word was a god,….” -Jesus As God, 1992, p. 60.Hi MikeWell at least now you have a “Greek” scholar who just so happens to be a “Trinitarian”.  I wonder…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Mar. 16 2011,06:22)I got this discussion somewhere else. I agree with it. I agree that when one translates the bible, intracate renderings would be influenced by pre-concieved notions.Hi Mark,Thanks for your response.  What you quoted is from Wikipedia.  It is the same source I quoted from in my last post.  And you are ab…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ Mar. 15 2011,16:41)Because David knew that God had promised him that of his loins one would come that would be his Lord, as resurrected Christ.And the Pharisees also thought as you do, Paladin.  They expected a Messiah who would be NOTHING BUT a son of David.  Why do you think when Jesus gave them the teaching in Luke 20 they c…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ Mar. 15 2011,17:12)You are reading what took place in the garden, not out in the world.”So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.” So your understanding of this is that Adam and Eve were one being and were called “HIM”?  Quote (Paladin @ Mar. 15 2011,17:12)Let me ask…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 15 2011,10:50)Mike……The reason you find psuche for soul and pneuma for Spirit is because the GREEKS SEPARATED the Body and Soul and Spirit as you do, And this is what injects their pagan beliefs into scriptures.Are you including the Son of God in this statement?  Didn't Jesus himself teach that man can only kill…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 15 2011,10:31)If it proves nothing then why all of the doubt and contention that it is not scripture?Keith, I also doubt the Lamb was “slain from the founding of the world”.  NETNotes gives a sensible and plausible explanation that this refers to the names of those who were written from the founding of the world in…[Read more]

Jack, Your sources and posts were answered in the freak Greek thread.mike

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 15 2011,09:51)False gods and God is all you have in scriptures Mike!So Deborah is a “false god”? She is called “god” in scripture, Keith, not “judge”.How about the gods that God presides over in the assembly of gods? Who are they? Paul gives us a hint by saying there are many gods, IN HEAVEN and on earth.Does our…[Read more]

Hi Jack and Keith,I've read all your posts today in this thread.  You are posting a lot of trinitarian slanted information telling us how 1:1c SHOULDN'T BE translated as “the Word was a god”.  Jack has posted “Colwell's Rule”, of which Wikipedia says:  Colwell’s Rule is often invoked to support the translation of θεός (qeos) as definite (“Go…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Mar. 15 2011,05:59)Is this website and you and t8 are what all this is all about? I'm not attacking you, I would just like an honest answer.Hi Mark,I'm not sure what you're asking.  I don't know t8 any more than you do, I'm sure.  I only know him from what he posts, just like most of us.  Are you implying a conspiracy to se…[Read more]

Hi Pierre,I believe there to be body and soul and spirit, so I disagree with your understanding. Enough said? We don't have to agree on everything, right?mike