Berean:  “THE WORD” (The Son of God) who in the beginning was in the form of God

The form of a god – which Jesus clearly is.  So is Satan, and Michael, and Dagon, and Gabriel, and Asteroth, etc.  But there is only one Most High God OF gods.  Berean, can you tell us who the God of all the other gods is?  Check my last post again.  Who did Jesus…[Read more]

Berean: 1 COR.8:7,8

But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him   

BY WHOM ARE ALL THINGS

This is another great example of how we use different words today to convey the SAME EXACT meaning the KJV was conveying with their words.  Start wi…[Read more]

Berean: BY WHOM ARE ALL THINGS
See COLOSSIANS 1:16

all things were created by him, and for him:
 

HIM= THE SON OF GOD

BY HIM  : DIA AUTOU

FOR HIM: EIS AUTON

Berean,

THROUGH HIM :  DIA AUTOU

Notice how the NET translates the word – 209 times as “through”, 87 times as “by”.

Compare with the KJV – 241 times as “by”, and only 88 times as…[Read more]

Carmel: Mike, did Jesus serve Peter and His apostles?

Jesus is a fellow servant of God along with his followers.  That’s why Jesus is a joint heir along with us of God’s graces.  But no, God graciously giving us things is not God being our servant.

Carmel:  I am serving my son right at this MOMENT IN TIME DOING THE ENTIRE FURNITURE OF HIS HOU…[Read more]

Gene:  The man Jesus, “became”,  a “new” ,  Creation of God,  the First of the human creation of God to go into the family of God, as a “eternal living”,  “human being” “First place in line of many to follow.  I have never seen a scripture that says Jesus  was the first thing God “ever” created. I am not saying one doesn’t exist , but I have nev…[Read more]

Carmel: TELL ME MIKE IS THE FATHER SERVING JESUS RIGHT NOW???

I don’t believe your mind is completely connected to the real world, Carmel.  If you were poor, and an anonymous benefactor just started paying your bills so you and your family wouldn’t be out on the streets, would you consider that benefactor your servant? 🤔 So strange.  Your e…[Read more]

LU:  Prov 8:22 “The LORD possessed me at the beginning of His way, Before His works of old.

From the 25 Trinitarian scholars who produced the NET Bible…

There are two roots קָנָה (qanah) in Hebrew, one meaning “to possess,” and the other meaning “to create.” The earlier English versions did not know of the second root, but suspected in ce…

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Mike: Rev 3:14  …And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God…

LU: Rev 3:14 “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Origin of the creation of God, says this:…

The origin of the creation…[Read more]

Mike:  Mark 13:19 …because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now–and never to be equaled again.

So now we have Jesus himself telling us who created the world, right?

LU: Jesus knows that there were two persons creating the world, one is God the Father and the other is the Son of God…[Read more]

Mike:  So, the author of Hebrews tells us who created the world, and identifies Jesus as someone other than that One, right?

LU: No, wrong. The author of Hebrews identifies two persons who created the world and clarifies that the two persons are Father and Son.

I see the words “he created”.  “He” is singular, and refers to “God”.  I un…[Read more]

Gene:  Carmel….. Isn’t there even one scripture you can quote without changing it.

Phil 2:11…..”and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is lord, “TO” the glory of God the Father. 

Not ” “IN” the glory of God,  but “TO” the glory of God the Father

Good catch.  I saw that twist too when I was pointing out the other one.

Mike:  Just follow the subject throughout…  God spoke in the past; God spoke in more recent times; God appointed someone; God created the world.

There are others identified here, namely “the prophets” and “his son”.  But the teaching is that God did x, y, and z through either “the prophets” or “his son”.

So at this point, can you and I agree…[Read more]

Carmel: NEVERTHELESS:

 ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE, DEFINITELY  WITHOUT THE SINGLE DOUBT,

STEPHEN STILL SAW BOTH

(A) THE GLORY OF GOD and 
(B) JESUS STANDING ON THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD!

Correct.  No man can see God, but Moses and Stephen were both granted to see the glory of God.  Therefore, Stephen saw only the glory of God (not God Himself), and…[Read more]

Gene: Mike……Try dealing with that, maze of twists and turns. LOL.

Peace and love to you and yours………..gene

😁😂🤣  I was skimming through and trying hard to detect any semblance of rationality, but to no avail.

Hey Eddie Valentino, I didn’t hear back from you.  Are we finally in agreement that the light that came into the world as a light for the Gentiles – the light about whom John bore witness in the wilderness – is the person known by the disciples as Jesus from Nazareth, who said…

“I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who…[Read more]

Mike:  The one through whom God created the world was not God.
LU: Yes He was. He just wasn’t God the Father.

Hebrews 1:1-2

In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us through his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he ma…[Read more]

Carmel: TELL US Mike NOW

WHAT DID STEPHEN SEE IN THE GLORY OF GOD?

I imagine that Stephen saw a bright and colorful radiance sitting next to Jesus.  I imagine that Stephen saw what Moses saw…

Exodus 33

18Then Moses said, “Now show me your glory.”

19And the Lord said, “I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will procla…[Read more]

LU: Gene,

If you knew for sure that these words were said about the Son, would your doctrine change?

Psalm 102

24I say, “O my God (the Son), do not take me away in the midst of my days,
Your years (the Son’ years) are throughout all generations…

Do YOU know for sure that they were said about the Son?  If not, then your question is moot and r…[Read more]

Berean: A ONLY HUMAN mediator who does not hear prayers cannot BE A TRUE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MAN …

I know Jesus is no longer human, so no argument from me on that one.  But the actual definition of mediator is one who acts as a go-between for more than one person or group.  For Jesus to present any of our prayers to God and make request on…[Read more]

Berean: Additionally , Stephen PRAYED DIRECTLY TO CHRIST.

Yes, as the mediator/priest God set up between Himself and mankind, we can certainly call on Jesus.  He even told his disciples to ask for anything in his name, and it will be given, right?

But what did Stephen see when he looked up to heaven?

Acts 7

55 But Stephen, full of the Holy…[Read more]