Hey Keith and D,Where is your response to MY new poll?mike

I voted for “angel”, which Jesus clearly is.  He is possibly the ANGEL of God who went before the Israelites during their exodus.  He was definitely a MESSENGER of his God, which means he is an ANGEL of his God.Galatians 4:14and even though my illness was a trial to you, you did not treat me with contempt or scorn. Instead, you welcomed me as if I…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 19 2011,12:49)So in other words, my response would be “I dont know”Ill put some research into it though.Oops, sorry. I misunderstood. Please DO put some research into it. You can start with the three scholars I've quoted here. Keith will attest to their credentials, or you can see them for yourself in the “Freak…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 19 2011,12:29)In the above verses is it grammatically possible that the word “theos” God in referring to the “One True God” can be translated with an “a” or indefinite article?Keith,ABSOLUTELY and POSITIVELY!  That's what I'm trying to tell you!  In every scripture you listed, it is a GRAMMATICAL POSSIBILITY to add t…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 19 2011,12:07)MikeOf course it can be translated that way, the NWT is proof of that. But is it “Grammatically” correct?Keith, I have never asked you if it is “grammatically CORRECT”. I've only asked if it was grammatically POSSIBLE.mike

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 19 2011,12:12)A) The article in John 1:1 could mean “word was a god”Thank you and God bless you, Dennison!You are the first of the “Jesus is God” people to accept the TRUTH that it is GRAMMATICALLY POSSIBLE to translate John 1:1c as “the word was a god”.  The rest will follow, eventually, because they will grow tired…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 19 2011,11:46)Mike……….The Great Dragon is the Force behind all of it, that force is not a BEING but a SPIRIT (intellect) that is (IN) Beings .So Eve's own (INTELLECT) is what tempted her in the Garden of Eden? And she just made up a story about being tempted by a serpent? And God decided that this (INTELLECT)…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 19 2011,11:59)Mike……….So if it according to You “is (ALSO) separate from the body then which is it, i have offered over 40 scriptures that show it is the complete being ,NO, you have offered 40 scriptures that YOU THINK teach the soul as the “complete being”, including the body.  You have offered NO scripture in…[Read more]

You have answered question #2 correctly.  I think you agree with #1, but have not given a “YES” or a “NO” to the question…………would you do so please? Remember that I am asking if you CONTEST this historical FACT or not. The answer should be “NO” if you do not CONTEST this fact.You have avoided a “YES” or “NO” to question #3.  Will you a…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 19 2011,10:28)MikeNo Mike, if they thought it could be translated that way then why didn't they?The fact they didn't translate it that way does not mean it CAN'T BE translated that way, Keith.Acts 28:6The people expected him to swell up or suddenly fall dead; but after waiting a long time and seeing nothing unusual…[Read more]

Gene,I have clearly listed three YES or NO questions. I'm awaiting your YES or NO answers to those questions.mike

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 19 2011,02:18)Irene,We have scriptures that says that Jesus called Peter Satan. So can you really blame Gene for thinking what he thinks?Really D?And if you started adding words into scripture to make those scriptures fit around YOUR understanding, and I said, “Whatever Gene” to you, would you then think you really…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ Mar. 18 2011,18:45)It is my humble opinion that much of the debating that goes on in these forums is done in the scientific method which is OK it is rationalIt's hard to debate the spiritual truth, Wispring.  I could say that the Holy Spirit is telling me Jesus is NOT God while Dennison could say that same spirit is telling him…[Read more]

Actually the fact that they ARE Trinitarians who definitely PREFER the arthrous translation is even more telling.  Because even as they PREFFER “the Word was God”, and consider the “a god” translation to be monsterous, they are still HONEST ENOUGH to admit that the Greek words allow for the latter translation.You apparently are NOT.  And if I h…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 19 2011,02:25)The reason I created this thread was to Antagonize the Anti-Trinitarians and thier belief in MANY GODS.But there ARE many gods mentioned in scripture.  Also many messiahs and christs.    That's the FACT of the matter – you just have to come to terms with the SCRIPTURAL FACTS.  As yet you have not been abl…[Read more]

Yeah D,I like that one.  I'll give another example:From Trinitarian and Greek expert Murray J. Harris:  “Accordingly, from the point of view of grammar alone, could be rendered “the Word was a god”.From Trinitarian and Greek expert C. H. Dodd:  “….a possible translation of ; would be, 'The Word was a god'. As a word-for-word translation it ca…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 19 2011,02:14)Mike,Can you confirms Paladins warrent that John 1:1 speaks of “ha Logos” and not “logos”Becauese from what i have dug up there is not such claim.Hi D,”HO” is Greek for “THE”.  He is claiming that “ho logos” (the word) is not THE God in 1:1.  Because if THE WORD is THE GOD, then when THE Word became f…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 18 2011,21:52)Mike………….Angels can have an ADVERSARIAL Spirit in them just as you or I or anyone else can.Gene,Are you even following what you are saying through to the completion of the whole thought?If these angels who have an “adversarial spirit in them” and are cast down to earth are REAL, then how can you…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 19 2011,06:30)To All……….why can't we simply get a clear and sound understanding about something as simple as the word Soul? It is clearly speed out in scripture as a COMPLETE BEING , His Body AND Spiirt.Hi Gene,It is also “clearly spelled out in scripture” as being separate from the body. By none other than Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ Mar. 19 2011,01:32)Hey Mike,   Read my signature.Hi Wispring,It really fits the trinity doctrine, eh?  This is part of the Athanasius Creed:“So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not three Gods, but one God.”And this is a quote from t8 responding to that Creed:“Interesting statement t…[Read more]