Keith, You and Jack had a little trouble understanding me.  Perhaps I posted above your intelligence level?  Let me “dumb it down” for you and explain what I meant when I pointed out that Jesus said “the Father” and not “God”:7 “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.” 8 Phili…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 23 2011,17:46)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 23 2011,18:41)My facts are straight.  It is YOU who needs to get yourself aligned with the undeniable truth of the matter.  Or not.  It's really up to you.Ha Ha MikeIs your scholar better than mine? I have given you facts that a scholar disagrees with yours, but what is so ba…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 22 2011,22:32)Mike, The verse includes 1:1b with 1:1c to make that distinction.If we changed the word 'God' to man it would read:In the beginning was the word, and the word was with the man, and the word was man.  You don't need an 'a' or a 'the' in the 'c' part of the verse.Okay, let's do that Kathi.But in order for it to…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 23 2011,09:49)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 22 2011,19:22)Now that we all know it IS a grammatical possibility, whether some of us like it or not, are we ready to move on?MikeI have never agreed that it is Grammatically possible but only that “they say” it is possible.So move on if you like, but get your facts…[Read more]

Yeah, the slash goes in the second , not the first.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 23 2011,17:25)The point is just because the Father is in Jesus doesn't mean Jesus is not God no more than Jesus being in the Father means the Father is not God.And does it mean Jesus IS God? If so, then we are all God too.

Quote (Wispring @ Mar. 23 2011,17:13)I submit that by reasonable and rational thought processes if you accept God has soul and does not have a body then the formula “body+spirit=soul” is not fulfilled in a harmonizing manner throughout scripture.That's quite a conundrum for you, eh Gene? mike

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 23 2011,00:36)Mike,If I can Effectively prove that Jesus is not an Angel, would this mean that You are wrong, therefore a victem of your own wishfull Thinking, therefore Opening the Possibilities that Jesus IS God?If you could prove this, (which you can't), it would mean I was wrong about this one thing. It would have…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 23 2011,16:58)Ja, so god has a literal right hand?so God who is spirit and everywhere that no Man can see, has a right side?thats such a bogus claimThen what exactly IS meant by the statement that Jesus was EXALTED BY HIS OWN GOD to the RIGHT HAND OF HIS OWN GOD?It's spoken of many times in many ways, D. What does…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 23 2011,09:35)This one is where you are deceiving and misleading.It is the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit in us and WE in THEM.It is THEM and US Mike,Does the “THEM” include the Father? Yes? Okay then, the Father is also in US. Does that make US God?mike

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 22 2011,22:02)Yes, Mike, I see that the words 'only begotten' and 'unbegotten' are not in John 1:1.Okay.  And all we're dealing with in this thread is that one scripture.  Not “17 verses later”.  So, using only that ONE scripture, how do we distinguish Jesus as a god who is not THE God?  We surely can't do that by say…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 21 2011,01:06)But you also have to explain how God himself also claims to be the ONLY GOD exisiting. Very simple.  Are you in?Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 21 2011,01:06)Lol…… Ever since you admitted to believing in many gods, you have been in a downward spiral.Well then, that should be the first question we…[Read more]

Quote (so-journ @ Mar. 21 2011,02:06)Hi Mike.The stage to come to is spiritualness.Yes,And the Spirit tells me that everything we need to know and do is written down for us.  Follow the written instuctions, and you'll be just fine.I see the difference in us though.  You are more into “love your enemies”, and I'm more like Moses who was so mad t…[Read more]

Do YOU see that the words “only”, “begotten” and “unbegotten” are not in 1:1?  So what's the best way to say that Jesus is A god, the only begotten one, but not THE God, the only unbegotten One, in that verse which doesn't have the words that later explain it?And your “only begotten God” versus “only unbegotten God” still seems to equalize Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ Mar. 22 2011,00:20)I did not say that Kerwin. I said:Hi everyone,OK. Try this line of reason on for size. 1.) The Body is a thing2.) The Spirit is a thing3.) The Living Soul is a definition or description of what occurs when thing #1 and #2 are combined by Gods doing.Hi Wispring,I'm with Kerwin on this one.  It sure sounds to me…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 22 2011,21:12)The Son did not become a theos as if He were not a theos beforehand See you own words? “A” theos? That's all I'm saying, Kathi. The Word was with THE theos, and the Word was A theos. And if you wish to cap the “G” for Jesus to set him above Satan and all the other gods mentioned in the Bible, then I think…[Read more]

Wrong answer, Gene.The words, “Jehovah God said to the serpent…………” are right there in the Hebrew.  Here's the order of events:1.  The man is questioned 2.  The woman is questioned 3.  The serpent is cursed 4.  Sentence is passed on the woman 5.  Sentence is passed on the manThe serpent is a serpent, just like it says.  Why is it that y…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 21 2011,22:32)MIke………….Why twist what Jesus said , He said a Spirit did (NOT) have a BODY as HE Has. What part of that you are unable to comprehend?Gene, What have I said that disagrees with Jesus' words there? Jesus was obviously not a spirit when he said that, right?But three different scriptures say he is…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 22 2011,13:55)geneshow me where the word INTELECT is written as well and you use it plainly You forgot the parenthesis. It's actually (INTELLECT).

Quote (Baker @ Mar. 22 2011,10:34)All humans have fallen short of the glory of God. Not JESUS.Bravo!