Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 28 2011,12:06)Hebrews 1 says that God's Firstborn was brought into the world “AGAIN” when Christ was exalted.No it doesn't.  It says that WHEN God AGAIN brings His firstborn into the world, the angels will do obeisance to him.  This refers to when Jesus comes on the clouds and all eyes see him…………and all k…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 28 2011,14:17)I know also that MANY trinitarians are leaving the idea that Christ was Son before His incarnation because it doesn't make any sense.Hopefully, they will continue this trend and leave the trinity doctrine altogether, for not one bit of it makes any sense. mike

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 28 2011,13:51)KerwinYet we don't have any history of any of those Fathers to reject the creeds.We have the untrustworthy testimony of Eusebius (A follower of Arius) who apparantly sighned off on the Trinity as accepting it yet all along he rejected it.WJHey Kerwin,The 325 delgates that did show up the the Council of…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 28 2011,13:43)God doesn't procreate! That is not a scriptural teaching but rather comes straight out of Greek Mythology, God literraly begetting gods!Procreate means to bring forth offspring. God most definitely DID procreate, for He brought forth a Son for Himself.It might also be in Greek mythology, I don't know.…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 28 2011,13:39)Do you have a scripture that says Jesus was “concieved” at all before he came in the flesh?Yeah,Psalm 2:7, as supported by John 3:16. Jesus was already God's only begotten Son when he was originally SENT into the world.Now, WHO'S only begotten Son is Jesus? GOD'S? Or God's HOLY SPIRIT'S? Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 27 2011,22:02)Mike,Jesus was tempted according to the flesh, not according to His perfect God nature.  Also, Jesus died according to His flesh and not according to His perfect God nature.  One is God of the other but that doesn't mean one is perfect and the other isn't as perfect otherwise the other wouldn't be perfect at a…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 26 2011,08:33)The problem mike is you do not understand what Spirit really IsNo Gene,The “problem” is that I'm done talking with you. You never can answer my questions, or scripturally refute what I've posted. Instead you just keep posting the same tired stuff about everyone else “not understanding” something.Bye…[Read more]

Hi Kathi,I'm not going down this path with you again.  Jesus is the Son OF his God, and therefore DIFFERENT in many ways.  God cannot sin or be tempted with sin.  Jesus could and was.  They are NOT the same for One is the God OF the other one.Let's stick to the topic, and you can answer my question about “Dog, the Bounty Hunter”.  Or maybe disc…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 25 2011,09:07)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 22 2011,14:45)Yeah Gene,But who did God say this to:Genesis 3:14So the LORD God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this, “Cursed are you above all livestock and all wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your lif…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 26 2011,17:29)I will reword the quesiton…“According to the Biblical Hebrew and Greek scholars is god a “grammatically correct possiblity?”Keith,Just give it up. Grammatically possible and “correct” are two different things. One can be proven, the other calls for opinion.I'm done with this thread. Talk to me in…[Read more]

Kathi, this quote is what I was saying about the CEV adding the word “truly” and the NET adding the word “fully”………..“To me, it expresses a lack of courage, a fear that the Bible does not back up their ‘truth’ enough.”That's exactly why I feel they slant the words to be more Trinitarian.  They know without that slanting, they wouldn't stand…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 27 2011,21:07)Mike,I don't think one begotten or one who begets can get higher than perfect.  Perfect begets perfect.Well then, Houston, we have a problem………….Because there is only ONE God Most High. And if that God beget another god who is IDENTICAL, then we now have TWO Gods Most High.…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 27 2011,21:08)Mike,What does your Greek guy say about the 'the' in part b?Hi Kathi, I'm getting ready to order the book.  I only have some excerpts right now that I got from my mom just today.  I'm waiting to see if I can get the book in “download” format, or whatever you call it.  Then I can copy and paste easily.  If I c…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 26 2011,17:22)What about him being “our blood relative redeemer”?I'm sorry, I didn't consider you to be serious about that translation you posted, and that's why I didn't respond.    Could you tell me which Bible you quoted?Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 26 2011,17:22)You say Jesus is not a human so who has put t…[Read more]

Also for All:From Professor Jason David BeDuhn, Greek scholar:“Surprisingly, only one, the NW, adheres to the literal meaning of the Greek, and translates ‘a god’.  Translators for the KJV, NRSV, NIV, NAB, NASB, AB, TEV, and LB all approached the text at John 1:1 already believing certain things about the Word, and made sure that the transl…[Read more]

Kathi, God Most High does NOT beget God Most High. Do you agree?mike

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 27 2011,19:52)Everything depends on Context Mike =DYeah, that's right D. And by the context of “angels which are IN HEAVEN”, we know that verse was about heavenly angels, right?  D, read the top post on this page – the one I made to Kerwin, before you put your foot in your mouth, okay? mike

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 27 2011,19:22)Jesus is equal to the one that begot Him, that is how it goes, like begets like…Almighty begets AlmightyHi Kathi,You are reaching.  Male doesn't necessarily beget male.  King doesn't necessarily beget King.  Smart man doesn't necessarily beget smart man.  And strong man doesn't necessarily beget strong man…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 25 2011,08:46)But to answer your question I have a Bachelor of Biblical Studies degree and a Master of Divinity (M.Div.) degree from Cornerstone Bible College in VAWow!  And all I've done is read the Bible a few times and researched a little into the meanings of Greek and Hebrew words.    How is it that I have a be…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 25 2011,08:30)MikeNo. But Jesus is God and that is the point. Jesus is not saying he is the Father but he is saying “IF YE HAD KNOWN ME”, ye should have known my Father (God) also: and “from henceforth ye know him (God), and have seen him (God). “Did they literrally see the Father?Okay Keith, If Jesus is not…[Read more]