Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 31 2011,20:06)Again, I dont believe them to be seperate Entities, so your question cannot be applied to me. Can you scripturally support this theory of yours? In fact, don't answer here………….I'll start a thread about it.mike

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 31 2011,19:43)After His resurrection do you see the Son worshiping the Father with the rest of the saints?This is a great point you bring up.  NO, I don't have any scripture implying that Jesus worships his God after he is exalted. And I should have a scripture, or at least scriptural information, to back up each and…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 31 2011,19:04)Than you have an error in your theology, because than it would mean that your God declines as Jesus surpasses him. Not an “error”, but the exact point I am making.  God cannot possibly “decline” as Jesus even “gains on Him”, let alone “surpasses Him”.  If God started out stronger and smarter and more e…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 31 2011,16:17)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 31 2011,15:39)    I believe I have the early church father's on my side as far as the translation of monogenes in John 1:18.  It is an adjective WITH a verb…an action.KathiYes and it is never used of Jesus until he came in the flesh.Keith, How could the Word become flesh and HA…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 31 2011,15:51)Yes KathiBut also in the context of Psalms he is set on the Holy Hill mount Zion when the Father declared “this day” he would be his Son.Hi Keith,Like Jack, you are imagining “links” that aren't even implied, let alone clearly stated. First of all, there is nothing to imply that the Zion referred to is…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 31 2011,13:45)Then there is the problem with Hebrews 1 which says that His name as 'begotten' and 'firstborn' is a name that is “SO MUCH BETTER than the angels.” But chapter 2 explicitly says that He was made a little LOWER than the angels. Therefore, if Christ had always been the 'begotten' and 'firstborn' then…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 31 2011,13:27)He is telling the reader that the person who told the Son that He was His Son, that is the person who also made Him High Priest.That's also how I understood it, Kathi. Thanks for the quote.mike

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 31 2011,11:03)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 30 2011,19:38)Claim:  God brought Jesus forth.First scripture:  Psalm 2:7″I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD: He said to Me, ‘You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.mikeMikeRead it in its context…Yet have “I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. I will dec…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 31 2011,10:51)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 30 2011,19:38)Keith actually hit the nail right on the nose when he said:Quote God did not bring birth to an angel that became a man and ceased to be an angel for awhile and then ceased to be a man to become an angel again who is “a little god” that we serve and bow down too…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 31 2011,02:03)Mike,How about you and Kathi answering my point from Hebrews 5? Jesus was 'begotten' as High Priest the day He was begotten as Son.Quote 5 So also Christ did not glorify Himself to become High Priest, but it was He who said to Him:      “ You are My Son,      Today I have begotten You.”6 As He also s…[Read more]

Hello D-Linquent,Solomon was the richest and wisest king in history.  Were any of his children as rich and wise as him?  Cyrus was the most powerful king of his time, taking down Nebuchadnezzar, who was called by Daniel the “King of kings”.  Were any of Cyrus' children ever as powerful as he was?The father ALWAYS starts off wiser and more po…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ Mar. 31 2011,14:06)This is mostly a challenge to all of us to overcome our natural tendencies to defend, sometimes a little too personally, our beliefs.Agreed.  And may all of you except for Gene please accept my apologies for “defending my beliefs too personally”.    JUST KIDDING, GENE.  I especially apologize to you.  mike

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 31 2011,17:04)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 30 2011,11:04)“Lessor” is not at all clearly listed in John 1:18.  Is your son lessor human than you because he was begotten. The Father is greater by the fact that He is the Father, not because He is mightier.  He is also the Son's God because He is His Father and because He is G…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 31 2011,13:41)Mike,Quote Okay, first let's deal with the “almighty” business once and for all.  Christ is NEVER called “almighty” anywhere in scripture, so for you to just claim this without any scriptural support makes your claim unworthy of a response from anyone discussing the actual SCRIPTURES.  But because you are my f…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 31 2011,13:38)Mike,To be begotten as an offspring is one who was within the parent before the begetting.  His begetting was a beginning of sorts for the Son as a separate person.  When I begat/gave birth to my son, that is when he began his life as his own person, distinct from me, although he existed as my son a…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 29 2011,23:33)Mike……….But you do have a description of your Satan right according Scripture , so why couldn't you describe him then.Gene,Do you have a description of Michael the Archangel? If not, does it mean he doesn't really exist?I plan to put together a list of scriptures for you. We can discuss what they…[Read more]

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Good post, Pierre.10 In bringing many sons and daughters to glory, it was fitting that God, for whom and through whom everything exists, should make the pioneer of their salvation perfect through what he suffered. 11 Both the one who makes people holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 30 2011,00:04)The begotten God would be like the God who beget Him, not less than His nature.  The nature of God would be always existent, almighty, otherwise that nature would not be God nature.Quote The begotten God would be like the God who beget HimAgreed.  Jesus is much like his God.Quote The nature of God would be a…[Read more]

Hi Wispring,That was my fault.  Pierre is right on topic, now that I've figured out what he's saying.  The Holy Spirit gave KNOWLEDGE to all who received it.  As Jesus was growing up, he kept increasing in knowledge up until he was baptized.  It was when the Holy Spirit came upon him at his baptism that he received full knowledge of who he rea…[Read more]