Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 31 2011,23:16)Really the question is, did the only begotten God consider His God mightier than He was before He emptied Himself and became manNo, that's not the question.  I asked the question I want answered.  Here it is put another way:Kathi, is there scriptural evidence to imply that anyone ever considered someone as t…[Read more]

Hi D,Jesus is never referred to as a saint in scripture that I know of. The actual word is “elect”.Now will you answer my question about Bill Gates?mike

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 31 2011,09:43)Terricca………..Regarding what thread , Go look at the Lucifer thread, and all the rest of them , Please don't give me this i did not ask question that were not answered Pierre.  That simply is not true Pierre.peace and love to you and yours…………………………..geneGene,MY simple question…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 31 2011,23:10)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2011,10:07)21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one—Does Jesus pray for the d…[Read more]

Of course you like the KJV.  They doctored the verse to change the meaning by adding their own word “even”, that is not in the Greek text.  Let's keep it without “even”, since “even” isn't in the original, okay?  You welcomed me as if I were a billionaire, as if I were Bill Gates himself.Dennison, does this statement mean that Bill Gates IS a bi…[Read more]

21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one—Does Jesus pray for the disciples to also become God Almighty?  And WHO is he praying to in the first place?  mike

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 31 2011,22:19)Deity nature must be eternal or it is not deity nature.  Scripture, please? Because that statement seems to disagree with your whole “Begotten God” versus “Unbegotten God” theory. The Unbegotten would have no beginning, and therefore be eternal. The Begotten would have a beginning, and therefore NOT be…[Read more]

I don't know which thread it was in. But YOU started a thread, I gave you a scripture. Either refute it or accept it.mike

Well, right off the bat, we can see TWO people mentioned: “I”, and “my Father”. How does this scripture teach you that the “I” and the “Father” are the same?Even the words “the Father is in me” are a clue. If the Father, ONE PERSON, is IN “me”, then “me” is not “the Father” who is IN “me”.mike

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 31 2011,21:30)I do not see the point of you wanting scriptural support for someone's god not being mightier than they are.You don't have to see my point to address the issue.  That sounds like “stalling”.  But here is the point anyway:  Nobody would ever recognize another as their god without also automatically re…[Read more]

Okay…………..start away. One scripture at a time, please.mike

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 31 2011,22:01)next scripture pleaseExcuse me?  You haven't refuted the first scripture yet. When will you post on my new thread?mike

Okay Kathi,What was your own firstborn BEFORE he began to develop inside you? Was he a PERSON since eternity, or was there a time when he was not?In other words, I agree that the “stuff” Jesus was made of was inside God from eternity. But why would you assume he was already a “fetus”, or an individual since eternity?mike

Hi Pierre,Of course there aren't.  There are MANY to refute it, as a matter of fact.  But we should give the boy a chance to defend, or at least explain how he came to this understanding, don't you think?  mike

Galatians 4:14Even though my illness was a trial to you, you did not treat me with contempt or scorn. Instead, you welcomed me as if I were an angel of God, as if I were Christ Jesus himself.Here's the first one………..any questions?mike

Quote My first 2 questions for you are…”Is Jesus your “Only kurious” (One lord)?””Is the Father your “Only theos” (One god)?”WJ Hi Keith,The answer to both is “NO, not literally”.  But let's look at it in context:5For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6But to us there…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 31 2011,20:58)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 01 2011,07:39)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 31 2011,20:06)Again, I dont believe them to be seperate Entities, so your question cannot be applied to me. Can you scripturally support this theory of yours?  In fact, don't answer here………….I'll start a thread about it.mikeLol…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 31 2011,20:54)Mike,What you proved is that people worship something even though it can not save and doesn't have the nature of deity.  The carver worships the carving is an example of foolishness.  Just because someone makes something their god, doesn't make that thing mightier at all.  It just makes the 'someone' a fo…[Read more]

Hi Kathi,I think it would be alot easier if everyone just believed the scriptures as they are written, instead of letting their biases get in the way.If God says, “You are my Son; I begot you”, then why try to imagine some unsupported abstract meaning to this?  When scripture says Abraham begot Isaac, I don't see anyone jumping up and down saying…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 31 2011,20:21)I am not saying that once there was only the Father, I am saying that there was always a Father and a Son and their Holy Spirit. However the Son was within the Father and not alongside Him till He was begotten before the ages.Can you scripturally support this theory of yours?mike