Quote (Lightenup @ April 14 2011,13:19)I do believe that the Son had the same power as the Father but He was under submission to the Father in order to use it.And here's a case of “not so good thoughts”. Your own statement contradicts itself. If the Father had the POWER to tell Jesus when he could and couldn't use his power, then the Father…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 14 2011,14:10)I think the earth is less than 10,000 years old. Death came from the sin in the garden…fossils of animals can't come unless there is death, so I don't think the earth is so old. The wine that Jesus made appeared old also but He made it in the twinkling of an eye.Good thoughts, Kathi! mike

Quote (Lightenup @ April 14 2011,09:28)Quote (Lightenup @ April 13 2011,22:28)Mike,If He said that He and His Son created the world, they would have gone “what Son?”  It wasn't time for the revealing of the Son, the Son was still a mystery.  God was in unity with the Son and presented them as one to the Israelites.  When God revealed the Son, He…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 13 2011,22:06)Mike,It CLEARLY says that through Him all things were created…now back to the example I gave you regarding Rachel and Jacob and the maid.  Rachel had a son THROUGH the maid.  The maid did nearly the whole work, not Rachel who just gave the command.Do you see how the Son could have done nearly ALL the work a…[Read more]

Hi Gene,How about you go through my claims about your understanding of 1:14…………and tell me which claim is untrue.Let's start with the word “IN”.  Do you need to add that word into 1:14 in order for your doctrine to work?  I don't.  See, there's the first difference between us.  Now which one do you suppose is following the scriptures – the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 14 2011,08:52)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 13 2011,18:13)Keith, if there is A question you would like me to answer, ask IT please.I won't ever answer every question in your flood posts.Thats funny Mike. You mean it is okay for you to ask lots of questions in a post but no one else can?How about your “FLOOD” post here……[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 14 2011,19:11)Mike,Your doctrine is that a Spirit being embodied itself in flesh.So either change your own doctrine or acknowledge that it can be the Spirit instead of a spirit being because that is the only difference between what you are stating and what I am at this point.Hi Kerwin,You are mistaken. My doctrine, which is…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ April 14 2011,11:34)Hi Mike:I have already been over all of this with you, and so, I see not point in re-hashing the same thing over and over again.None of those scriptures that you have say that he pre-existed.  You may interpret them to mean that, but they do not specifically state that.Love in Christ,MartyHi Marty, I don't mean…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 14 2011,07:21)Mike………..That is why i have said that the Trinitarians and the Preexistence are from the same view point concerning the preexistence of Jesus Well Gene, if you knew how valiantly Irene, Pierre and I fight AGAINST the comically flawed, man-made trinity doctrine, then you'd know why it upsets us when…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 14 2011,02:42)Now the Logos being the Spirit of Christ, “the archetypal and governing idea of creation”, embodied itself in Jesus the mortal according to John 1:14 and the embodied Holy Spirit which had come from God lived among us.Kerwin,Let me stop you right there, because Gene and I have been over and over this point. 1:1…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 13 2011,22:20)Any scripture that calls Mary his mother or states he was conceived in her womb since that means he did not exist before her or before he was conceived depending on the Scripture.Hi Kerwin,I agree that Jesus didn't exist in the flesh until he was born of Mary. But how can you just ignore Phil 2, which explains…[Read more]

Hi Paladin,It seems to me that your understanding of John 6:62 is that Jesus is speaking of “ascending” from Sheol to where he was before on the earth, right?Breifly acknowledge if this is what you're saying please.mike

I agree that Jesus was in the form of God, meaning that he was also a heavenly spirit being. Then he emptied himself of that form, and took on the form of a human being.mike

I agree that Jesus was in the form of God, meaning that he was also a heavenly spirit being. Then he emptied himself of that form, and took on the form of a human being.mike

  So now your theory is:  Well, it doesn't say Jesus created in the scriptures, but the early church fathers say he did, so he did.  My question still stands as is.

D,Archangel MEANS "chief angel" or "leader angel" or "ruler angel".mike

Kathi,Read the prayer in Acts 4:24-30.  Tell me the ONE person they prayed TO, and the ONE person they prayed THROUGH.It was to the ONE they prayed TO that they gave the credit for creation.  Nor has any scripture ever said Jesus created anything at all.So my question stands as before. mike

Yes Gene,I have no scriptural reason whatsoever to think the Tree of Knowledge was not a real tree. After all, the people who ate OF this Tree were real people, right?Now, your turn. Who was the THIRD one that God cursed in the Garden?mike

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 11 2011,21:35)Notice what Jesus said , When a unclean Spirit leaves a man it goes about in (ARID) places seeking rest,Gene,How can these unclean spirits “GO” anywhere?  If they are “everywhere all the time”, then they can neither “come” nor “go”.For that spirit to “GO” to an arid place means that it wasn't already IN…[Read more]

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