Quote (seekingtruth @ April 18 2011,09:47)I believe the reason that there is so much dis-agreement is akin to the story of the “blind men and an elephant”, we are all discussing something we cannot see from what we perceive of it through limited information on different aspects.Hi Wm,We know that Jesus is now a spirit. (1 Cor 15:45)  And we know…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ April 18 2011,05:41)Your mileage may vary.

Hi Irene,I am interested in hearing her out, as I have learned a lot from my family, many of whom are Witnesses.  They have scripturally set me straight on a few things, while other things they tried to explain using only their conjecture…………..which I didn't agree with.But my sister is the most bubbly person I've ever met in my life.…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 18 2011,12:29)BTW Mike, you see how easy it was for me to answer all of your questions in one post?When are you going to start answering all those questions I have left you?Yeah?  Easy?  Look back through this thread and check for the first time I posted these questions to you.  I could have answered them one at a…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ April 18 2011,20:27)We were invited by the JW Witnesses for the Passover. Georg did go one year. He was rather taken back that only the anointed by them, took of the bread and wine…..In the W.W.Church we did….and I believe we could. What do you say Mike??Hi Irene,Funny you should bring that up. My sister texted me…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 18 2011,15:22)Hi MikeIf I answer the question “Yes” then that would mean that the Father is the “Only god” spoken of in 1 Cor 8:6, right?Hi Keith,What I want to know is, out of the “many gods” Paul mentions in verse 5, which god in particular does he say is our “one God” in verse 6?(I read the rest of your long po…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ April 18 2011,17:53)How is Jesus Worshipped by Angels if he himself is an Angel?Better hit the NETNotes there buddy.  Jesus is never said to be worshipped by anyone at any time.  The word in Hebrews 1:6 is also “proskuneo”………….the same word you argue means “did obeisance” in many other scriptures.  Why would you think th…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ April 18 2011,16:25)Istari! You say that it has been establlished that Jesus is not an Angel! That is falseIt certainly hasn't been established, or agreed upon by me. mike

Quote (Lightenup @ April 17 2011,22:31)Would you mind clarifying what that one word was in the original languages and what are all the definitions of that one word you are talking about.The word in Greek is “aggelos”, and the one meaning is “messenger”.  So when you read anything in scripture that says “angels”, know that the word is always…[Read more]

Hi All, I don't know as much about it as Theo and Wm do.  I was going by the JW's memorial, which is always the night of Nisan 14th.  This was on Yahoo! today when I logged on; maybe it is of interest to someone?*****************************************************************************************LONDON (AFP) – Christians have long cel…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 17 2011,22:13)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 17 2011,23:07)Quote (Lightenup @ April 17 2011,22:00)Irene,I asked you that because Georg said that if Jesus is a spirit being, then He is an angel…so if God is a spirit being wouldn't that make Him an angel according to that reasoning?Whose message did God ever deliver?  And no,…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 17 2011,22:08)Mike,I think that the confusion comes from labeling all messengers as angels. If you just label those in the group of angel beings as angels, and those outside the group of angel beings as messengers, you could get more to the 'crux of the matter.'KathiKathi,What part of “there was only ONE word in the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 17 2011,22:00)Irene,I asked you that because Georg said that if Jesus is a spirit being, then He is an angel…so if God is a spirit being wouldn't that make Him an angel according to that reasoning?Whose message did God ever deliver? And no, delivering your own words to someone does not mean you are your own “messenger”.…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 17 2011,21:52)We know that God is not an Angel, but he is a Spirit, the unseen.The ONLY reason God is not an angel is because God never delivered anyone else's message for them.Other than that, “aggelos” simply means “messenger”.  It is we in English who distinguish heavenly messengers as “angels” and earthly…[Read more]

36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? 37 Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. 38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in…[Read more]

Well D,I am glad that you finally recognize me as an upper case “G”!  The answer to your question is “NO, I don't exactly know what Jesus is.”  But I also don't know exactly what God is.  Heck, I don't even exactly know what the other angels are.All three that I mentioned are spirit beings.  We know that God is higher than Jesus, and Jesus is hig…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 17 2011,21:30)Mike,Cute! Quote You welcomed me as if I were one of the seven dwarfs, as if I were Sleepy himself.I see it more like:You welcomed me as if I were one of the seven dwarfs, as if I were Snow White, herself.Same story, different emphasis.But yours makes no sense because Snow White is not a member OF the first…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 17 2011,21:05)shows that God is a man, according to the same logic that Mike uses to say that Gal 4:14 is saying that Jesus is an angel.Not at all Kathi,What this does is “muddy” the issue unnecessarily.Your passage shows that the angel of God who wrestled with Jacob had the appearance of a man at the time.  And it shows…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ April 17 2011,20:45)I think you should reconsider you conclusoin with your new revelation.Hi D,Good addition of Heb 1:7-8.  Verse 8 does seem to contrast the Son as something OTHER THAN “the angels” mentioned in verse 7.Like I asked Kathi a while back:  What do we do now?  We have some scriptures calling Jesus an angel, an…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ April 17 2011,00:11)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 17 2011,17:32)Quote (terraricca @ April 16 2011,16:19)Hi Mikelook at this and think ;Hos 6:2 After two days he will revive us;on the third day he will restore us, that we may live in his presencei like this scripture.PierreHi Pierre,Now that you've pointed it out to me, I like it…[Read more]