Quote (seekingtruth @ April 23 2011,12:07)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 24 2011,01:17)Quote (seekingtruth @ April 23 2011,10:12)I say that Jesus is flesh and bone because He said it.Hi Wm,Do you suppose the flesh and bone body with holes in it is the “glorious new body” Paul said Jesus has been given in Phil 3:21?mikeYes I do, I believe these holes…[Read more]

Hi All,I voted “I don't know” because it differs from person to person anyway.I will tell you what we all DO know though: There has never been a known occasion in the history of the world where someone who was brought forth into existence wasn't also subject to a time when he DIDN'T exist. I exist now because I was brought forth. But because I…[Read more]

Keith,I believe I have much more evidence to support “a god” than you do to support a capitalized “God”, which only leads people to think the Word was the exact same capitalized “God” mentioned in 1:1b – even when the scholars agree that is NOT the case.So please address my questions so we can move on. I've known where I was going with this from…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 23 2011,10:53)Can you or the Watchtower NWT translators prove that there is a rule “GRAMMATICALLY” that demands John 1:1c should be with the indefinite article?I can't speak for the NWT translators, but I can tell you that it is a complete impossibility from the words that are there to INSIST it must be “a god…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 23 2011,10:45)Michael,Ya know what…if this is my own crazy imagination, then why am I saying the same thing as John Gill?Do you think YOU'RE the only one with an imagination?Kathi, if scripture doesn't say it, then don't claim it.  You could show the writings of 1000 Gills and if scripture doesn't say it, it still…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ April 23 2011,10:27)You have managed to agree both ends – but not the middle!But more importantly, I've managed to agree with the scriptures.

Quote (seekingtruth @ April 23 2011,10:12)I say that Jesus is flesh and bone because He said it.Hi Wm,Do you suppose the flesh and bone body with holes in it is the “glorious new body” Paul said Jesus has been given in Phil 3:21?mike

Quote (Istari @ April 23 2011,10:29)Oh Mike,I nearly missed a point:Please give me a definition of 'Spirit', thanks.From NETNotes:1) the third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal,coeternal with the Father and the Son1a) sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises hispersonality and character (the \\Holy\\ Spirit)1b) sometimes…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ April 21 2011,16:59)I have hesitated this long to post this because I feel that perhaps I need to let things cool just a tad before responding, as words may tend to escalate for all the wrong reasons.Okay.  So now that things have had time to cool, let's go back to my actual points.1.  Was anyone ever said to have actually seen J…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 21 2011,03:25)Mike,I am rather confused whether you believe A, B, or something else:Quote A)That a preexistent being from the realms of spirit incarnated into a human body that was descended from David.B)That a preexistent being from the realm of spirit was transformed by God into a human being.Hi Kerwin,I believe that…[Read more]

Hi Kathi,Immediately after making my posts here, I checked out the “Bodies” thread, and noticed this scripture that Wm had posted:Zechariah 3 1 Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right side to accuse him. 2 The LORD said to Satan, “The LORD rebuke you, Satan! The LORD, who h…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ April 22 2011,18:17)What Mikeboll is saying is that there MUST BE something that is a CONTAINER BODY for the invisible IMMATERIAL Spirit in Heaven although how that is conceivable is a feat in itself seeing that what Container would there be a requirement for to contain an IMMATERIAL entity…?That Container would then have to be a…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ April 22 2011,23:31)Quote 1Cr 15:50 ¶ Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. There is nothing in this verse that prevents flesh and bone from entering.My opinion – WmHi Wm,FLESH cannot enter the Kingdom of God. Forget the “bone versus…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 22 2011,23:09)To all,Quote Hebrews 1(Young's Litteral Translation) 6and when again He may bring in the first-born to the world, He saith, `And let them bow before him — all messengers of God;' If All the messengers of God bowed before him then how can he be one of them?Note: There is an answer to this one.  I just want to…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ April 22 2011,20:22)KathiNO and No ,what you try or what you see is not thereI agree Pierre.Kathi seems to often apply what she WANTS the scriptures to say to the scriptures, thereby confirming for herself that they say what she WANTS them to say.But to claim that Jesus is also named “Jehovah” from the verses she listed is…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 22 2011,18:21)the one who was wrestling with Jacob was identified as the Lord God Almighty.Kathi,It was fairly common according to scriptures to refer to an angel OF Jehovah as Jehovah. The Hebrews referred to a vice regent OF God as “God”. When Manoah realized he was talking to an ANGEL OF GOD, he feared for his life…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 21 2011,21:42)Mike,If you substitute the word 'God' with 'divine' in 1c then you would clearly see that there is no need for the 'a.'But we're not talking about Moffett's translation, which DOES say “divine”. We're talking about all these translations that DON'T add the definite article in 1:1b and that DO cap the “G” in…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ April 21 2011,17:00)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2011,21:33)So, I ask you again:Keith, based on their own translation, it is clear which of the two remaining possibilities the NET scholars PREFER, but they don't ever rule out “a god” as ONE OF THE THREE POSSIBILITIES THEY LISTED, do they?  YES or NO?Of course they say it…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 21 2011,14:07)Mike,You know better than that. He was the only Begotten God with the one who beget Him.Hi Kathi,So then he WAS “a god” who was with “THE God”? If Jesus is not THE God, then he is ANOTHER god. And if he is ANOTHER god, then he is “a god” who was with THE God in the beginning.mike

Quote (Istari @ April 21 2011,02:18)Luke 3:38, states that:Seth is the Father of EnoshAdam is the Father of SethGod is the Father of AdamTherefore Adam is the first Human Son of God born Sinless in the flesh.And later, Jesus is the Second Human Son of God born in the FleshBut the first Son sinned and fell from pure SonshipHi Istari,I see I'll…[Read more]