Hi Kar,It seems you and I are almost at the same understanding. We differ in that you think “invisible” and “spirit” needs no outer perimeter to separate one being from another. I disagree on this point.But most of what you have posted in the last two pages seems to be the correct understanding in my eyes.peace,mike

Quote (Istari @ April 24 2011,04:44)However, why did you stop short of the part that says, 'You will see him return in like manner to how he left'Mike, what 'like manner' will that be?Hi Istari,The “manner”, as I understand it, is “coming from the sky” in full view.  It does not say he will return in “the same FORM”, right?  Jesus was concerned t…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ April 23 2011,23:33)To those who do not believe Jesus was resurrected and changed,How did Jesus appear to the disciples in a locked room if His body was not already transformed? Numbers 22:28Then the LORD opened the donkey’s mouth, and it said to Balaam, “What have I done to you to make you beat me these three tim…[Read more]

Quote (karmarie @ April 23 2011,22:52)Hi Seeking and Mike.I hardly think Jesus would still be in the body he showed the Disciples.When he ascended into heaven, I would say (guess..and according to the scriptures) he was changed.Kar,That's EXACTLY how I understand it also. As for the scriptures Wm is asking for:Luke 24:39 shows that Jesus wasn't…[Read more]

Hey Wm,I have a great idea.  Instead of you making many posts deriding me for my mistaken assumptions of what you posted, why don't you tell me what you WERE saying?Don't you think that would be a better way of clearing up any misunderstandings than the way you are doing it?Making posts to tell me I've twice assumed the wrong thing doesn't do one…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ April 23 2011,13:31)And so, you are saying that by showing you this that I have showed you that Jesus did not pre-exist his birth into this world as a man is that correct?  Not at all.  I'm saying if scripture showed how God took Michael the archangel and made him as a human, it wouldn't mean that Michael didn't already exist as a…[Read more]

Oh I see. In YOUR mind, if one IS a god, then he must be YOUR personal god? mike

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 20 2011,23:56)Mike…………The third was the Adversarial Spirit working in them both.And this spirit was referred to as a “serpent”? God cursed this “adversarial spirit” as a separate entity from Adam and Eve, right? Do you think this “adversarial spirit” is a separate entity Gene?mike

Quote (kerwin @ April 20 2011,23:08)Angels are part of elohim and if it is not The elohim then it could very well be speaking of angels being involves. In any case God is the brain and the power while the angels are merely his instruments who choose to do his will therefore their part is of little importance.Hi Kerwin,I really don't know where…[Read more]

I await your answer. If “the scholars say so”, then WHO ARE YOU to say differently? Do you have any proof that these scholars are wrong? Remember that most of these scholars actually believe that Jesus is God, and they're still honest enough to admit that “a god” is a possibility.And where is your answer in the “One question for Keith” thread?…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ April 23 2011,14:44)Mike,'God's FIRSTBORN Son'… That is interesting…Who is God's SECONDBORN Son?Istari,Scripture doesn't tell us who God's second born son is. It does, however, tell us that Jesus is His firstborn, and the only Son He has that was begotten.Is this on topic?mike

Quote (Lightenup @ April 23 2011,14:43)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 23 2011,13:51)Hi All,I voted “I don't know” because it differs from person to person anyway.I will tell you what we all DO know though:  There has never been a known occasion in the history of the world where someone who was brought forth into existence wasn't also subject to a time…[Read more]

Kathi,Why are you avoiding/ignoring my posts?mike

Quote (seekingtruth @ April 23 2011,14:20)Mike,First of all, if you did not purposely put words in my mouth then I apologize (or you can show me where I said that “Jesus is destined to remain in his “filthy clothes” forever”). Now if you read what I posted; IN MY OPINION the holes were left there as a reminder, scripture however only tells us that…[Read more]

Istari,This is what NETNotes says about the Greek word for “man”:1) a human being, whether male or female1a) generically, to include all human individuals1b) to distinguish man from beings of a different order1b1) of animals and plants1b2) of from God and Christ1b3) of the angels1c) with the added notion of weakness, by which man is ledinto a…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 23 2011,14:52)Also that the Son was called Jehovah in the OT and appeared to man as Jehovah in the OT. The Father and Son are both called Jehovah.Kathi,The scriptures don't actually say or even imply what you claim. What about my point that the Hebrews referred to vice regents OF Jehovah as “Jehovah”? One of us is…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ April 23 2011,13:21)Mike,Neither do I, I did not infer in any way that Jesus did not get His glorified body, actually quite the opposite, please re-read my posts or is this an argument technique to put me on the defensive?My opinion – WmWhat is it with you people?  I made a point from what I believe.  Why is it that I'm a…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 23 2011,11:34)Mike,I show scripture like Hosea 12. It does clearly say that the one that wrestled with Jacob is named Jehovah plus I give you a scholar that sees that clearly also.No Kathi,What it CLEARLY shows is that the Hebrews referred to vice regents OF God as “God” or “Jehovah” – because the text indicates that they…[Read more]

Well put Pierre.

As long as “AGAIN” means “WITH THE HONEST AND CORRECT ANSWER THIS TIME”.  I will remind you of your own words:If the scholars say there are “3” possible Grammatical ways of translating John 1:1c………….mike