Quote (Istari @ May 14 2011,04:43)To obtain a Spiritual Body one must first DIE from the NATURAL BODY…and this is what Jesus did.So to all: please explain how the HEAVENLY Angels also have SPIRITUAL BODIES?That's not how I understand it.  Paul is explaining what kind of body the dead HUMAN BEINGS who are raised to heaven will have.  Answer:  …[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 13 2011,22:21)To all,Who among you disagrees that Acts 2:33 declares that Jesus the Anointed received the the Holy Spirit from God?If you do disagree then why?Not I, Kerwin.

Quote (Paladin @ May 13 2011,06:17)Well, if “whether” means “even including” what does “even including” mean? “Whether” in this use is more akin to “excluding” as in “excluding all else.1 Peter 2:13-14Be subject to every human institution for the Lord’s sake, whether to a king as supreme or to governors as those he commissions to punish w…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ May 13 2011,06:11)Jesus received by way of promise para the father.Ahhh…………so you've changed your claim a little, huh?  Before, you were claiming that the word “para” itself could mean “by way of promise”, remember?  And it is THAT claim that I took issue with, for it is inaccurate and misleading.You have now reworded y…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ May 13 2011,20:02)The only spiritual body that we know of that has been risen from the dead is Jesus's.Hi Shimmer,1 Corinthians 15:48 American Standard VersionAs is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.Young's Literal Translationas is the earthy, such are also…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ May 13 2011,20:00)Well I dont know what seperates Jesus from God Almighty.Hi Shimmer,Good post and great use of scriptures!  I respect your answer of “I don't know”, and I will not push you for anything else because it is an acceptable answer.I hope by this answer that you can at least see where I'm coming from.  I KNOW that J…[Read more]

Hi Kerwin,What does “the God of gods” mean to you?  Does it mean that He is the “Deity of others who are not quite deities, but we call them by the same title in the same phrase”?How about when God presides over the assembly of gods and passes judgement over them?  Who do you suppose the gods are that assemble with God?When Paul calls Satan the g…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ May 13 2011,16:56)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 14 2011,10:42)So Shimmer, could you do me the solid of actually ANSWERING my question to you?  Could you tell me what it is that separates the Being of God from the being of Shimmer?Mike, sin (seperates us from God).Theosis is the drawing near to God (you should read up on it) http://en.wik…[Read more]

Pierre,I'm confused.  Are these three really patting each other on the back while refusing to answer very simple points we've made?  Too funny, man!  Istari, in one post, you mention Jesus' words that spirits ARE like the wind…………but also YOUR assertion that spirits are NOT like the wind.    You claim to know what was in Jesus' head when…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ May 12 2011,20:21)We have seen that God is defined as spirit and a spirit does not have a physical form.Well Shimmer,That IS the topic of this thread, but no one has shown me from scripture that spirits don't have a form.  No one has even shown me that God has no form.  Phil 2:6 seems to imply that He does.  So while the OP…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ May 12 2011,17:37)Tell that to God who uses “whether” 171 times in 148 verses, and every time uses it as a limiting parameter to choices offered.Really? Do any of those 171 times have the word “whether” AFTER the words “ALL THINGS”?And you didn't answer my points at all…………….LIKE USUAL. If I said I give you ALL OF MY…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 12 2011,10:21) But most importantly, you keep avoiding Hebrews 1:2 in your assertion that only the “new age” was created through Jesus.  And I keep asking you why 1:2 says “through whom He created the ages”, as in “more than one age”, but you keep ignoring my question. Perhaps you could answer it now?Quote (Paladin @ May…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ May 12 2011,07:36)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 12 2011,12:41)Quote (942767 @ May 11 2011,19:01)You say:Quote But you left out the part where he was existing in the form of God BEFORE he was made as a human being.This is what I mean by your having a vivid imagination. Where do the scriptures specifically state this?To which part do you…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ May 12 2011,04:09)Right! Let's test the flavor of what you call “debunked!”Paladin,I'll tell you what: YOU admit that you were wrong when you claimed “para” can mean “by way of promise”, and acknowledge that the word “promise” is not even IN John 17:5 – and THEN I'll explain the scriptures you listed to…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 12 2011,00:04)I have answered you regarding the Son being from eternity with both John 1 and Prov 8. John 1 makes it clear that Jesus is the SON OF God.  Any son who has EVER been begotten was also subject to a time when he DIDN'T exist.  That is the law of nature that God Himself created.  Also, “in the beginning” is us…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ May 12 2011,13:02)Was not John (Book of Revelation) taken up in Spirit to another place?…was he in a body when he was AT THAT PLACE?Well, he fell down, cried, and bowed before an angel.  He also helped an angel measure New Jerusalem with a measuring rod. All these things are things that can't be done without a body.He was also…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ May 12 2011,15:22)Only JESUS has a SPIRITUAL BODY.So what of the billions of Angel Spirits?48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven.

Apparently some of you missed this post, for I see questions TO me, but no answers to my question.  Here it is again – for Istari and Gene:Quote (Istari @ May 11 2011,11:28)A body has a shape – what is it's shape?Did you guys see the videos of those massive tornados that hit the south-eastern U.S. last week?  Those were some seriously powerful B…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ May 11 2011,19:01)You say:Quote But you left out the part where he was existing in the form of God BEFORE he was made as a human being.This is what I mean by your having a vivid imagination. Where do the scriptures specifically state this?To which part do you refer? What exact word(s) do you take issue with, Marty?mike

Quote (Istari @ May 11 2011,11:28)A body has a shape – what is it's shape?Did you guys see the videos of those massive tornados that hit the south-eastern U.S. last week?  Those were some seriously powerful BODIES of wind.Human beings were able to see those bodies because of the visible dust and debris being carried along with the body of wind.…[Read more]