Quote (Paladin @ May 17 2011,03:53)Now, Mike, you can look into all the geneologies ever publidhed in Israel, and will never find “The house of him that hath his shoe loosed” listed in any fmaily geneology nor in any list of names anywhere. Because it is not what his name is; it is what his name is called in Israel.So which man does the Bible…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ May 17 2011,02:10)Hi Mike,Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 16 2011, 20:29)Let's step it up a notch.  Do you believe like Istari, that spirits are “everywhere all the time”?No.Hi Wispring,Neither do I.  And if there is ever a place where a being IS at the same time there are places where that same being ISN'T, then something is s…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ May 16 2011,23:40)Mike, do I have this right? Please correct me if I don't: 1) You, once, here on this forum, believed, and agreed with two others, that God had a body like us (eyes, arms, so on),2) And then, Jesus, was risen in spirit (only), You seem to have had it back to front.God is spirit, Jesus is body (form),…[Read more]

Okay, I just glanced at the other posts.  None of these are claiming to be the words of anyone from scripture, right?  In that case……………….WHO CARES WHAT THESE MERE MEN THINK? Kathi, remember that “worship” is “proskuneo”.  Remember that it doesn't always mean “worship”.  Also remember that Deborah was also a god.  And so is Satan.  So…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 15 2011,23:16)You confuse the supernatural Son who is not bound by the laws of nature with those that are bound by the laws of nature.  You don't have evidence of any other son who was ever begotten, being found hundreds of years later in the womb of a virgin, do you?  So there goes your 'laws of nature' argument…you c…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ May 16 2011,00:42)Mike, you need to expand your mind, look around, google some, your limiting your mind to just heavennet, just 3 people's agreement with you.Istari was right all along with this.Hi Shimmer,Does it really matter how many people think spirits DON'T have bodies?  There are MANY more Christians out there that believe…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ May 15 2011,22:58)They have “identities”. Therefore they can differentiate between themselves because they each have an individual identity.Hi Wispring,It doesn't really matter what you call it.  If a being has an “individual identity”, then that is something that separates that particular being from all other beings, right?…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ May 16 2011,02:53)Mike, I am surprised that you ask me that question  – were you testing me – or did you think I could not answer – would not answer – why DID you ask it?This is the question I want answered Istari.  You know, the one you've avoided like the plague since this discussion started?Istari, we both KNOW that Jesus and h…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ May 16 2011,16:42)“ws” is a Greek particle of comparison. John is telling us that when the saint so lives that he gives his life over to Jesus, and Jesus Christ lives in his flesh, “We beheld the glory, as of an only begotten son” becasue it is no longer the saint that people see, but Christ living in him.Well then WHO EXACTLY IS…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ May 16 2011,16:42)Scripture does not say “He was called by the name;” it says “His name is called…” You know only that concerning the one described as “became flesh, it is said “we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,” “As of” is not synonymous with “of.” He did not have “the glory of” – he had “the…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ May 16 2011,16:07)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 16 2011,11:10)Quote (Paladin @ May 15 2011,16:11)And “ho logos een pros ton theon” the logos was with the God. So ho logos was not the same one with whom he was with.Hi Paladin,Isn't that what I just said to Gene?  Ho logos is NOT the same One that he was with.  Therefore TWO are m…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ May 16 2011,05:56)That is my use of “or” where Peter said “as.” I was showing you (well, trying to show you at least) that Peter is saying that supreme kings commission all lessor men through authority bestowed by his supreme authority. That are all authorities, just some with more, some with less.Paladin,You don't need to show me…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ May 16 2011,05:51)Peter is simply pointing out that the king is supreme, and all others are commissioned, whether governors, or cops on the beat.Okay. So was I right that Peter's use of “whether” did not exclude “cops on the beat”, even though they were not specifically mentioned?

Quote (shimmer @ May 15 2011,19:41)The creations in this category do not possess bodies or corporeal being, but rather are forms that are separate from one another…Hi Shimmer,I can live with that.  An antonym of “corporeal” is “spiritual”.  Many of us have been saying this whole time that angels have spiritual bodies, not flesh ones.But s…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ May 15 2011,14:34)A spirit is unconstrained and is therefore everywhere in which it is constrained.Okay, I'll try not to salivate, but you ARE speaking truth here.  When a spirit is NOT in a body, what constains it?In other words, what is it that constrains the being of Gabriel from flowing within and being a part of God Himself?…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ May 15 2011,16:11)And “ho logos een pros ton theon” the logos was with the God. So ho logos was not the same one with whom he was with.Hi Paladin,Isn't that what I just said to Gene?  Ho logos is NOT the same One that he was with.  Therefore TWO are mentioned in John 1:1, and only ONE of them is “ton theon” (THE God).  So who is…[Read more]

I guess I should have said “beat it”, for the sayings are “beating a dead horse” and “kicking a dead dog”. But you got the joke, right? mike

Right now, I would be happy to refute someone's false claim and just have them actually acknowledge they were mistaken, and adjust their beliefs accordingly.The Lord knows that I've done that same thing many times since joining HN.

Well if you're sure there IS a dead horse over here, then by all means, let's go kick it!

I agree Pierre.  Peter was not excluding the rest of “EVERY HUMAN INSTITUTION” by mentioning only two positions of power specifically.Just as Paul was not excluding the rest of “ALL THINGS” by specifically mentioning only four of the things that were created by Jesus in Col 1:16.The lower levels of government are also included by the words “EVERY…[Read more]