John 8:58 NWT Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to YOU, Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.”NLT ©Jesus answered, “The truth is, I existed before Abraham was even born!”NETNotes on the present tense of “I AM”:The present tense represents a simple statement of fact or reality viewed as occurring in actual time. In most cases this…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 20 2011,01:39)Do we have eternal life by knowing Jesus?If you answer yes, how is this possible if He is bound by time or our concept of time and matter and space?But you forget that death at one time DID have mastery over Jesus. He was not originally eternal, for he died. He is eternal now because his God has ripped…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 20 2011,10:54)Irene,Did you exist within the womb before you were actually born from the womb?But because Irene was at one time “brought forth”, we know there was also a time when she didn't exist, right?Jesus was also brought forth by his Father, indicating a time when he didn't exist.It seems to me that the Bible writers…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 19 2011,22:02)Yes but God is not subject to it, limited by it, constrained by it. YHWH transcends time, space and matter.What scripture teaches us this, Paul?  How can our 1000 years be like God's “day” if God is not subject to time?Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 19 2011,22:02)As the Creator of time, Yeshua must have preceded its…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 19 2011,21:57)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 20 2011,13:50)Now, shall we compare notes as to which one should be literal?  Have you forgotten already that God Almighty would NEVER be said to be born, begotten, brought forth, be a son, or have a beginning?  God Almighty is a servant of no one, and calls no one “my God”.Think it out, m…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 19 2011,21:43)Hang on a minute…..Explain to me how Acts 4: 30 makes Yeshua a Creature and therefore includes him in the “everything” in verse 24. I'm struggling to understand what point you're trying to make here.Okay Paul,Peter and John prayed TO the ONE who created the heavens and the earth and EVERYTHING in them.Do you…[Read more]

Matthew 23:37 NIV37 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. I must thank Gene for this one.  His response to this scripture in the “Bodies” thread is what caused me to look cl…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 19 2011,23:21)In fact God is their Pantheon (Deity) to either rebel against or obey as they have chosen.Hi Kerwin,I don't know about “Pantheon”, which means “all gods”, and is the name of the temple of the gods that Agrippa built in 25 B.C.  But I agree that YHWH is their God, and that like us, they also have free will to…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ May 19 2011,21:19)Hi Mike:I have already given you my understanding of this and so has Paladin.Maybe I'm mistaken Marty, but I don't believe any non-preexister has ever sufficiently answered this point.Quote (942767 @ May 19 2011,21:19)Verse 7 in the KJV state that “he made himself no reputation”, therefore, he emptied himself of…[Read more]

You are right. No one knows for sure. When your doctrine is as comically flawed as the one that teaches the Son of God is the God he is the Son of, then you must grasp for whatever straw you can imagine.So they grasp for the “time” straw, knowing nothing at all about what they claim.

Quote (shimmer @ May 19 2011,20:19)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 20 2011,12:27)Quote (Istari @ May 19 2011,02:22)Angels are MALEZechariah 5:9Then I lifted up my eyes and looked, and there two women were coming out with the wind in their wings; and they had wings like the wings of a stork, and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the…[Read more]

Quote (david @ May 19 2011,20:59)I have always had problems with this and how it relates to God.  If time didn't exist before God created the physical universe, then God is only as old as the universe he created.  I don't know.  Nothing makes “normal” sense when speaking of those things.Hi David,I also have problems with this.  Many claim that God…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 19 2011,20:26)Welcome back BTW. I hope I made you feel at home.

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 19 2011,20:34)Getting back to the original point….if Yeshua was, in some capacity, involved in the creation of ALL THINGS how can He Himself be a thing?Still waiting for an answer.I've given you your answer by way of the prayer in Acts 4.  You can't take the “ALL” in Col literally if you won't take the EVERYTHING in Acts…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 19 2011,20:29)Because if the Father is credited for being the Creator this is not necessarily to the exclusion of Yeshua. You're reading that into the text.No. GOD is credited for being the Creator. It is YOU who reads in “the Father”. GOD is the ONE BEING who created EVERYTHING. Jesus is listed as someone OTHER THAN and…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 19 2011,20:26)I'm not sure how this relates to my point? Because the prayer was directed to the Father Yeshua was not involved? Explain.Oh I think I layed it out quite well.  You are just pretending it's not clear to you.Jesus WAS involved in the prayer.  He is the SERVANT of the God Peter and John prayed TO.  But the God th…[Read more]

And speaking of “sensible”. YOU come on. Really? The Son OF God is the God he is the Son OF?

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 19 2011,20:22)Come on, be sensible. Why did Paul use the word “all” and omit the word “other” if Yeshua was a creature? Makes no sense…..Why did Peter and John use the word EVERYTHING if it did not include Jesus?

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 19 2011,20:19)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 20 2011,13:16)6900 singular pronouns seem to differ with you.I can't think of one verse that explicitly states God is one person. Can you?Maybe you could help out WJ in his debate with t8. He seems to be unsure why his God is a THEM but he always refers to them as a “HE”.And sure, I can…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 19 2011,20:17)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 20 2011,13:13)Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 19 2011,19:53)You haven't addressed the point. Let's try another approach. Was Jesus involved in creation? In what capacity?It is unclear from scripture.  We know that God created everything alone.  We also know that God chose to do this THROUGH His S…[Read more]