Quote (Paladin @ May 21 2011,03:22)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 21 2011,15:00)Perhaps you could try my template and break it down line for line like I asked Marty to do?I don't even know what that means.Paladin,Here's the “template”, filled in with your answers for all but the last line.  Just fill in the last line for me, please.6Who, being in the…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ May 21 2011,03:20)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 21 2011,15:15)Quote (Paladin @ May 20 2011,06:25)In the beginning was the logos; and the logos was theon ;and “theos een ho logos.” Here, John is not saying the logos is the same person as ton theon, he is saying the logos was the same person as ton theon; but John later tells us the logos…[Read more]

Exactly Pierre. So is it safe to say that Beelzebub is Satan, the ruler of the demons of whom Jesus spoke?

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 21 2011,02:23)Quote (shimmer @ May 21 2011,17:06)For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.Good point. The use of the word “through” here denotes an active role, with Yeshua being the actual executor of the salvic act. So it is with the Creation.“YOU, LORD, IN…[Read more]

Quote (david @ May 21 2011,00:11)And the house that King Sol′o‧mon built to Jehovah was sixty cubits in its length……..he built against the wall of the house a side structure all around……Further, he continued building the house that he might finish it, …the word of Jehovah came to Sol′o‧mon, saying:  “As regards this house that you are bu…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 20 2011,23:00)And that is not proven anywhere in scripture. The Spirit was also brought forth yet eternal.I'm sorry, when again was the Spirit begotten by God?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 20 2011,13:50)Do you think the Father is the firstborn of all creation?  If not, why?  You say it means “preeminent”, and wouldn't the Father, as the God of Jesus, be preeminent over His own creation?Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 20 2011,22:39)HA! What are you implying here Mike? That the Father is not preeminent over His c…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 20 2011,22:21)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 21 2011,10:18)Okay Paul,Peter and John prayed TO the ONE who created the heavens and the earth and EVERYTHING in them.Do you see that they did not pray TO Jesus?  So if Jesus is not the ONE that created the heavens and the earth and EVERYTHING in them, he has no choice but to be one of…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ May 21 2011,05:20)Hence even John 1:… can be seen as saying 'And the WORD was a Mighty One'.And so we can see that more than Jehovah are very powerful spirit beings who are called "god", right?Now pay attention to SF's point, Istari.  He is saying that any other mention of a "god" in scripture is not a god at all, so therefore…[Read more]

Quote (csaliba @ May 21 2011,14:34)JESU CHRIST LORD ALMIGHTY.Doesn't “Almighty” mean “the MIGHTIEST of the mighty”? That title would not go to Jesus, but to the One he himself calls “my God”.

Quote (942767 @ May 20 2011,20:12)He did exist, but he did not exist as a sentient person.Well, it was a sentient person who said he existed before Abraham, right?  Did the sentient person Jesus lie to the Jews when he said “Before Abraham, I existed”?See Marty?  Jesus didn't say “the thought of me in the Father's heart” existed, did he?  Why wo…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ May 20 2011,06:25)In the beginning was the logos; and the logos was theon ;and “theos een ho logos.” Here, John is not saying the logos is the same person as ton theon, he is saying the logos was the same person as ton theon; but John later tells us the logos became not God (flesh) This God cannot do. God cannot become “not…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ May 20 2011,03:19)When a king (a human being) changes his clothes, shaves off his beard, puts on the clothes of a servant, and walks into town instead of riding his horse, he has taken the form of a servant (a human being.)Is that too hard to understand?Well, the “servant” part isn't too hard.  But unless that particular king was…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ May 20 2011,03:13)Your problem Mike, is that when someone answers your question, if they don't say it like you say it, you do not consider it as an answer, but an evasion. I have answered your question, and you call it an evasionThis is a new question I've never asked before Paladin.  I've seen where you belittled Irene for not…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 19 2011,21:48)Notice I ask a simple question to Mike , Why did not John simply say Jesus if that is what he meant in John 1:1, and look at what he call an answer.What was wrong with my answer, Gene?  Here, you try answering the same question to show me how it's done:Revelation 7:10And they cried out in a loud voice:…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ May 19 2011,21:37)Hi Mike:I don't believe that anyone can explain it to you so that you can understand seeing that you have a pre-conceived philosophy relative to these scriptures.Hi Marty,The truth is that you can't explain your understanding of Phil 2 to anyone using the template I've given you.  Because YOUR understanding…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 19 2011,22:54)The scriptures that you say support your understanding are more commonly translated and explained in ways as to not support your understanding, so I don't think that you have proven anything by your scriptures.First of all, I didn't set out to prove anything.  YOU set out to prove that Jesus is from eternity,…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 20 2011,01:22)In other words, if I am the Lord of this household, than I am counted a Lord or even in the British Kingdom there are those considered as "lords" for some kind of standard in soceity.   But we know that the Bible speaks of ONE LORD, that supplies all our needs, that by His will alone grants authority that…[Read more]

Phi 2:6 NET who though he existed in the form of God did not regard equality with God as something to be grasped,This is what the Greek word means, also from NETNotes:Morphe1) the form by which a person or thing strikes the vision2) external appearanceAnd this is another use of the word in scripture:Mar 16:12 NET After this he appeared in a…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 20 2011,01:51)Istari, Your write too much. Go to sleep.Hear, hear!