Quote (Istari @ May 22 2011,09:45)However, it did strike me as strange that it should say 'Prince' in one place and 'Kings' in another.The Hebrew word is the plural word “kings”, which like the plural word “elohim”, can refer to more than one, or to a majestic one.  That is why some translations say “kings” and others say “king”.  There is r…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ May 22 2011,09:54)Mike,When I see no progress in the understanding – yes…When the poster posts deliberate gibberish – yes…When the poster is being disingenuous – yes…Well then, stop doing all of these things and start using scripture, as opposed to your imagination, to form your understandings.

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 21 2011,22:38)The scriptures I listed are not contradictory for me, but they are for you, that's the point. Trinitarians are quite at ease with the co-crediting of the great works of God to both Yeshua and His Father. Not so for the Arian…..Even more problematic for the Arian are the passages which affirm that YHWH created…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 21 2011,22:02)Mike,If our human nature began to exist when Adam was created, the Son's divine nature began to exist when His Father's nature began to exist…No.  If our human nature began to exist when Adam was brought forth by the One who brought him forth, then it stands to reason that Jesus' nature also began to exist…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 21 2011,22:15)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 21 2011,19:58)Quote (Lightenup @ May 20 2011,23:00)And that is not proven anywhere in scripture.  The Spirit was also brought forth yet eternal.I'm sorry, when again was the Spirit begotten by God?Mike,It wasn't 'begotten' but it was brought forth and sent.  Do you have trouble with t…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ May 22 2011,09:14)Does anyone else read the 'that didn't hurt – hit me again' tone in Mike's posts above.All of them are defeatist – the sour loser – even though the point is to WIN by learning.Losing is only so if you choose to maintain your position even after being shown the right.If you accept the truth then you ALSO WIN – for…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ May 22 2011,08:43)Mike, not even Scriptures tells of the 'face of God' such that we should see itSure it does. I've even posted a scripture that says children's angels always see the face of God.Will you acknowledge that scripture, or continue to call Jesus a liar?

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 22 2011,08:44)Insulting people who don't agree with you only runs them off, please try to be more respectful brother.It is truly amazing how you and Shimmer are able to laugh and say “Good post Istari” to the pages of insults he's dished out to me and SF and Pierre.  But let one of us finally get to the point where…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ May 22 2011,04:30)On a point of order: The first part of the text in Gabriel's speech to Daniel says he was battling with KINGS (Plural) of Persia – before he then goes on to say 'the Prince'….Read it again. Daniel 10:13 NRSV © But the prince of the kingdom of Persia opposed me twenty-one days. So Michael, one of the chief…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ May 22 2011,03:09)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 22 2011,15:42)Matthew 18:10 “See that you do not look down on one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.Quote the above scripture says that God has a face that the angels can see.Hi Mike, you need to read t…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ May 21 2011,23:40)Mike,It is precisely because you do not understand 'DIMENSIONS and IMMATERIAL' that is SPIRIT that you reach for human level understanding that is – like the BODY/Skin – is shackled and restrained in knowledge and understanding.For that reason have I not urged you to seek wisdom and understanding of Scripture…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ May 21 2011,23:40)Hi Folks,  I am curious about the “no one has seen God but Jesus” concept simply because I was reading this the other night. I had decided that since Isaiah is referred to so much in the NT it would be good to read it and it has been interesting! Anyways here is the scripture.Hi Wispring,In Hebrew culture,…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ May 21 2011,23:06)Mike,Who has seen the 'Face of God'?Spirit beings. But that is only according to the scriptures, which we all know you consider as slighty less informed than your own intelligence.

Quote (942767 @ May 21 2011,21:01)Hi Mike:Do you know any other human being that is also God's Only Begotten Son and His Christ and by his virtue of his position in the body of Christ was in the “Form of God”?But he was in this “form of God” while he was a human, right? So how then was he MADE INTO a human after that? And by who? Who exactly…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 21 2011,17:56)Possessing divinity is not meant to be taken that one has existed for all eternity. After all, we can partake of divine nature and even though we have eternal life, we still had a beginning and I don't see how that can ever change.I wholeheartedly agree.

Quote (Istari @ May 21 2011,06:25)Mike, your netNotes:1) … Is this not purely a definition for physical objects?2) … What is the EXTERNAL form of an immaterial and invisible thing?Spirit is not a physical object (entity) so why did you chose those two definitions (only).Surely, Mike, if you were so confident of yourself you would not have…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ May 21 2011,05:05)a leader of blind ones, a light of those in darkness, an instructor of foolish ones, a teacher of babes, having the form of the knowledge and of the truth. – Rom 2:19 traitors, heady, lofty, lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God, having a form of piety, and its power having denied; and from these be turning…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ May 21 2011,03:54)Mike,I note that you only choose to define 'Form' in the Physical sense.Is there a reason for this?I didn't show the definition of the English word “form”, but the definition of the Greek word “morphe”. And I listed the only two definitions there were for that Greek word.

Quote (Istari @ May 21 2011,03:27)Mike,The FORM of Almighty God is SPIRIT.Jesus is in the same FORM as Almighty God: A Spirit.Hmmm………….that doesn't seem to fit the known definition of “morphe” though.  Istari, look at the other scripture I posted with that same word in it.  Does it mean that Jesus took on other “invisible spirit q…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ May 21 2011,18:04)I do not pretend to understand all that defines God, Gene, I only know in the beginning, the logos was with God, and the logos was God, and the logos became flesh, as described by Paul in Gal, I and II Corinthians, Collosians, and by John in John's epistles and gospel.The logos wasn't THE god from 1:1b that he…[Read more]