Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 26 2011,00:53)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 26 2011,05:08)Is anyone confused yet?I am, yes.Please tell me what part confuses you, Paul. I stand by every statement Keith posted, for it is the truth of the scriptures, around which I base my understanding.mike

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 25 2011,04:24)Couch it how you like Michael, but the stark fact remains that you affirm the creation of heaven and Earth came about “through” a creature, which is a blatant contradiction of Isa 44:24 and Job 9:8.Hi Paul, It's not a contradiction at all.  In fact Paul teaches that Jesus must have been the one born first out of…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ May 25 2011,18:32)He did not say anything about returning to his former glory.Hi Marty,Of course he did.  When someone says “the glory I HAD alongside you before the creation of the earth”, the “I HAD” part refers to “former glory”.Quote (942767 @ May 25 2011,18:32) I understand this as being prophetic.And why is that, Marty?…[Read more]

Paladin,While we're on the subject:Genesis 17:5 KJVNeither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.Does the wording “name be called Abram” mean anything other than that Abraham's actual name used to be “Abram”? If not, then you have no basis for claiming “His name is…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ May 25 2011,03:07)It was John who said “in the beginning was the logosand the logos was with ton theonand the logos was theos.””And ho logos became flesh”Correct.  Now since we all know that God Himself didn't become flesh, or “not God”, and since we all know that TWO are mentioned in John 1:1, based on the fact that one was WITH…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ May 25 2011,03:21)Paul excluded everything except thrones, dominions, principalities, and powers, by his use of the limting paramater “whether.”Peter used “whether” to reference the king as supreme, and any subbordinate chosen by the king.No, if Paul excluded everything except thrones, dominions, principalities, and powers, by his…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ May 25 2011,02:49)The king is supreme. The kings sends subbordinates, who speak in his stead. The issue is “obey the laws of subbordinates as you the laws of the king.”Peter's reference is “whether unto the king as supreme or unto governors as tham that are sent.So like I've been saying:  Do you think the use of the word…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ May 25 2011,02:42)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 24 2011,14:40)Quote (Paladin @ May 23 2011,07:30)The reason being, if “theos” is translated “a god” it gives credence to the Jehovah's Witness theology.“JW theology”?  What's that?  Of course the indefinite article is implied and by all means should be added in the English translations.  …[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ May 25 2011,02:36)That is not scripture Mike, that is pure doctrinal biased rending of scripture to promote a point of view. “Man” is a noun; “mankind” is an adjective.1 Timothy 2:5 says “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”Paladin, I've never argued the “men” versus “mankind” point.…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ May 25 2011,18:12)He existed in the heart of the Father prior to the foundation of the world, but not as a sentient person,And it is this glory he asked to be returned to in 17:5? The glory of a “thought” in the Father's heart or mind?That is like Pinocchio, after being transformed into a real boy, praying to go back to being a…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ May 25 2011,02:49)That would be like the ONE WORLD LEADER who is to come.  There will be other LEADERS under him.  And even smaller LEADERS of other seperate groups. That doesn't make them the ONE WORLD LEADER though. (just an example so you know that I understand).Exactly Shimmer.  Also, the “ONE World Leader” wording does not me…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ May 25 2011,15:57)Ditheist: A Ditheist claims that there were two true Supreme Gods in existence who were both co-eternal and co-equal.So THAT'S the “technical term” for what Kathi is, huh?  Interesting.

Istari, What's left to say? You imagine that angels are “everywhere all the time” when scriptures say they come and go from place to place. You imagine the same about God, who Jesus says is “in heaven”. You imagine that a human being has the power to detain an angel sent from God on a very specific mission for 21 days – until an even more…[Read more]

It means that when Jesus said no man has seen God's “eidos”, he was talking about God's “bodily appearance”, just like “eidos” is translated in the scripture you posted.

Quote (Lightenup @ May 23 2011,21:30)I thought you didn't want long posts and then right away you write these long posts and I write long posts to respond to your long posts.  We are a lost cause Say no more!  Quote (Lightenup @ May 23 2011,21:30)So by that statement you seem to be admitting that you cannot scripturally prove that the Son was c…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 23 2011,02:54)YHWH alone is the Creator.Correct.  And YHWH is the “God” and “Sovereign Lord” that Peter and John prayed to in Acts 4.  They realize that He ALONE created all things, and therefore credited Him ALONE with this in their prayer.  Notice that Jesus is listed as someone other than the One they prayed TO, and th…[Read more]

Good post, Wispring.

Quote (david @ May 22 2011,16:27)See, this is my whole point. I would never say “Jesus created.”I haver always said “God created through Jesus.”Hmmmm…………..just like the scriptures say. Good job, David.No scripture ever says “Jesus created” anything, unless you count the whip he “fashioned” out of cords.

Quote (shimmer @ May 23 2011,05:23)There is only one true God. It is either Jesus or it is the Father.  And the verse above shows the only true God AND Jesus Christ whom God sent.Hi Shimmer,I hear you and agree that Jesus is not “the only true God” he was praying to at the time.But Jesus IS called a god, right?  So does that mean he is a “false g…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 20 2011,22:27)Mike Boll,What we know from scripture is that both demons and angels are called elohim.   We also know that Jehovah Elohim is the Elohim of Elohim.Right.  Which brings us back to my first point.  Substitute any words you want in the phrase “Elohim of elohim”.  The meaning of the first word will always be the mea…[Read more]