Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 28 2011,13:51)You are being evasive and not addressing the scripture and my question.Keith,Jer 10 speaks of man made idols that some considered to be gods.  Many unrighteous gods, like Satan, will indeed perish though.  Also, notice who God made the world “by”, or “through”.  Could this be the “wisdom” from Prov 8, wh…[Read more]

Hi Keith,The scholars and I agree with you. 2 Kings 1:2-3Now Ahaziah had fallen through the lattice of his upper room in Samaria and injured himself. So he sent messengers, saying to them, “Go and consult Baal-Zebub, the god of Ekron, to see if I will recover from this injury.”  But the angel of the LORD said to Elijah the Tishbite, “Go up and me…[Read more]

Hi Kathi,As far as your supposed writings of Peter, I have my doubts about them, for I don't remember any Apostle speaking of a “book of the Gospel of Jesus”. There was no “book” at that time. They were each just writing letters to congregations. Also, the word “God” could just as easily be “a god”, like in John 1:1. The word “worship”, could…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 28 2011,02:11)The Hebrew people are called gods because they received the Law of Mosses, which is called the Word of God, from God.Kerwin, I have also received the word of God from the Law. I am not a god. You are mistaken, as Jesus explained the ones called gods were the ones to whom the word of God came. That phrasing…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 28 2011,00:07)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 27 2011,08:44)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 26 2011,00:04)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 24 2011,06:21)D, you didn't answer my question about Beelzebub.  Do you believe Jesus that he is the Prince of the Demons and the Ruler of them?  Do you believe him to be the one called "Satan"?1. NO2. N…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 28 2011,02:39)Quote (shimmer @ May 28 2011,18:09)Its not what people teach but the way they teach it.That's an interesting view. I'm curious, why do you think that? To my mind it's what people teach that is of far more importance, as salvation depends may on it. You could deliver the wrong message in a loving way and be…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 28 2011,12:23)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 28 2011,13:10)Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 27 2011,21:52)Just to expand on this idea a little more and make it crystal clear for you Michael… “But the LORD is the true God; He is the living God and the everlasting King At His wrath the earth quakes, And the nations cannot endure His…[Read more]

Hi Kathi,I see you have many “atta-girls” about your post.  Not to burst your bubble, but let's see if they're really warranted:Quote (Lightenup @ May 27 2011,23:00)Do you think the Son is only a perfect puppet who just passes on whatever He sees and Hears, or can we truly have fellowship with Him AND the Father, not just the Father through…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 28 2011,10:29)So saying the 'Godhead of Israel' is…, is proper.Good point. Now if only the words “El” and “Elohim” meant “Godhead”, you'd have a good start on this doctrine you're creating.mike

Quote (Lightenup @ May 27 2011,23:00)1 John 1:3what we have seen and heard we proclaim to you also, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father, and with His Son Jesus Christ.Why does it not say that our fellowship is with the Father through His Son if we are hearing from the Father's words only.  The…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 27 2011,21:52)Just to expand on this idea a little more and make it crystal clear for you Michael… “But the LORD is the true God; He is the living God and the everlasting King At His wrath the earth quakes, And the nations cannot endure His indignation. Thus you shall say to them, “The gods that did not make the heavens and…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 27 2011,20:11)I addressed this error in thinking in my last post to T8, refer to that. According to scripture our creation is completely a work of YHWH.So then the egg of your mother and the sperm of your father were not involved in the creation of you?  Tell me directly that your mother and father played no part whatsoever…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 27 2011,13:36)Quote (Lightenup @ May 27 2011,13:46)t8,So your list needs a different approach.  If you have read my really long post to you on the previous page then you will see that we need to use context to dictate which person of the Godhead is being spoken about or is doing the speaking. It is not always God,…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 27 2011,12:46)Is 37:16 “O LORD (the Godhead)of hosts, the God of Israel (Godhead), who is enthroned above the cherubim, You are the God (the Godhead), You alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth. You have made heaven and earth.Deut 4:35 Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God (the Godhead);…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ May 28 2011,03:25)“Governors” is plural, and applies to anyone in authority under a king, in any capacity he appoints them.Paladin,If you do a search of the Greek word used for “governor”, you'll find that it refers to actual Governors, such as Pilate and Felix.  It does not apply to the “soldier on the corner beat”, as shown by…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ May 28 2011,02:38)So now we have consensus and a closure:'Do Spirits have Bodies?' – No – they are like the Windand blow where they will!!!All except for Jesus, right?  The appointed ruler of the heavens and the earth is the only SPIRIT in heaven who is not as “free as the wind” because he's the only one who has a body…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 26 2011,00:04)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 24 2011,06:21)D, you didn't answer my question about Beelzebub.  Do you believe Jesus that he is the Prince of the Demons and the Ruler of them?  Do you believe him to be the one called "Satan"?1. NO2. NOWhy? and what does this have to do with the Convo?Luke 1114 Jesus was driving o…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 26 2011,00:00)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 24 2011 @ 06:25)Now, who is the One that gave the power and authority TO that "One True Lord" in the first place?ummm the Lamb? Christ?? whats your point?The One who gave our "one Lord" all power and authority was his own God, who just happens to be our God too.Quote (SimplyForgiven…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ May 26 2011,13:22)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 26 2011,13:18)Paladin,While we're on the subject:Genesis 17:5 KJVNeither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.Does the wording “name be called Abram” mean anything other than that Abraham's actual name used to…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 26 2011,18:01)If you are convinced of your theory, that God is “THEM”, then call God “THEM” to at least show your faith in your own teaching/doctrine.When you do that, at least I will be convinced that you truly believe your own doctrine.Hear, hear!