Quote (942767 @ May 29 2011,07:40)These are some scriptures which may interest you:14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;2Pe 1:4 Through these things he has bestowed on us his…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ May 26 2011,21:23)David states by the Spirit of God:Quote Psalm 110 1The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. Was Jesus already at the right hand of the Father when David was speaking this by the Spirit, or did this occur after Jesus was resurrected from the dead and ascended…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ May 26 2011,10:11)Here is an example for you to compare to John 17:5Quote Revelation 13:8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.We know that the lamb was not slain at the time of the foundation of the world, but this was…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ May 26 2011,01:06)NOTICE WITH THE GLORY I HAD, I HAD, I HAD WITH YOU BEFORE THE WORLD WAS…..Hi Irene,I've tried that “repetition technique” myself a few times.

Quote (942767 @ May 25 2011,21:49)Hi Mike:And he said, and “Now” glorify me, and not now glorify me again with the glory that I had before the world was.Hi Marty,Glorify me with the glory I HAD means that he HAD glory before, and was asking for that same glory again.If you said, “Give me the same meal I HAD the last time I came in”, it means you…[Read more]

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Quote (Lightenup @ May 28 2011,19:39)If something is self-existing, then it came from nothing but itself.So now Jesus didn't even come FROM the Father, but from himself?    When did you add this little tidbit to your “doctrine in the works”?Btw, I didn't say I had problems understanding the concept of “from eternity”.  I said I didn't un…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 28 2011,19:39)Jesus always had His divinity nature and with the incarnation, He also took on the nature of humanity.  He although glorified, still has these two natures even now and that is one reason He calls us 'brethren.'Oh I see now.  Jesus DOES actually HAVE human nature even though scripture says he “partook” of it.  …[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 28 2011,20:18)Having divine nature exactly like the Father does mean that one is God. Partaking of it does not.So when Jesus partook of human nature, he wasn't really a human?

Quote (Lightenup @ May 28 2011,20:06)I think you can go to church even though it is flawed if Jesus could go to the flawed synagogue.If churches today were run the way the old synagogues were, I'd be the first in line.  In the synagogues, members were allowed to read from the Law and speak their minds.  Jesus did not go to church to listen to a p…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ May 25 2011,23:20)I agree that according to the context that Jahovah God is God of God can be spoken of in the context of mighty and thus it could also be started the Jahovah the Mighty is the Mighty of Mighty.Yeah.  That's what is meant by “God OF gods” and “God Most High” and “God Almighty”.Quote (kerwin @ May 25 2011,23:20)In…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ May 26 2011,22:15)Hi Mike. Ok… I think I may be more Unitarian maybe…Hi Shimmer,I would become a member of a Unitarian Church, but they don't believe in the pre-existence of Jesus.

Hi Kathi,If those “born” are not “created” then they are not part of the creation.Isa 54:16 – Mal 2:10 – Job 33:4 – Deut 32:18 – Job 33:6 – Isa 43:7 – Isa 44:2 – Isa 44:24 – Isa 49:5 – Jer 1:5 The above scriptures prove that all men are created beings.  But notice Deut 32:15 Jeshurun grew fat and kicked;   filled with food, he became heavy and s…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 28 2011,19:13)I think that Acts has it written that they baptized in Jesus' name, but I tend to think that they baptized in all three, and when Acts was written, it just emphasizes Jesus' name but doesn't mean that the other two names weren't part of it.Well isn't that convenient for you?    “Hey guys, if I don't like the A…[Read more]

Istari, Do you think they used "slight of hand" to turn staffs into snakes or produce frogs out of thin air? Do you think they were perfoming "magic tricks"?

Quote (Lightenup @ May 28 2011,16:59)I mentioned the part about the Son interceding for us, (which btw, is the ministry of His glorified humanity, not His divinity)What exactly does that mean?  Is Jesus not divine now?  Is he not inteceding for us now?  I don't get how you can even make a claim like this.  Jesus isn't human anymore, but a div…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 28 2011,15:02)You say Moses is a god and Jesus is a god and neither made or created the heavens or the earth.This passage clearly states those gods that did not make or create the heavens and the earth will perish.No, it is the scriptures that call Jesus, Moses, Samuel, Deborah and some of God's righteous angels…[Read more]

Hi Kathi,What I'm saying is that your source has Peter saying Jesus COMMANDED them to baptize in the triune formula.  Yet Acts has Peter baptizing in the name of Jesus only.  You can rationalize that this was for emphasis, like you rationalize that God will be okay with you worshipping someone other than Him just because that someone other is H…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ May 28 2011,14:43)Like I said – we have consensus – we all agree – Spirits do not have bodies.And like I said:  All except for Jesus, right?  Quote Jesus acquires a body of permanent features when he comes into the material world.In heaven he is Spirit with the power of God Almighty loaned to him.No other Spirit creature has a p…[Read more]

Keith, Is the passage talking about man-made idols? Or do you think God is saying He will wipe out His vice-regents Deborah and Jesus?