Quote (Lightenup @ May 29 2011,23:58)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 29 2011,18:26)Quote (Lightenup @ May 29 2011,15:28)Istari,People have been teaching the eternal Son who was begotten before the ages since the early church.But not any people who actually partook in writing the scriptures, right?  Wrong, Peter partook in writing the scriptures and I…[Read more]

No, that couldn't have been it. I think, judging by the very fact that Avida and Bacalba were thinking the same thing I would have been thinking, they would not have been satisfied with your answer. Your answer still leaves us seeing the very God who told us no man has seen God.It's really a very confusing business when one tries to mess with…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 29 2011,20:20)UM the whole bible duhh   Well, if the "whole Bible" says it, then you should have no problem at all posting one little scripture that says our God consists of a Father, Son, and Spirit all in one Being, right?  Why don't you?  Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 29 2011,20:20)Ok so by your beliefs, calling a Dog &#…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ May 29 2011,14:40)Mike,What you have done is to so over analysed the word and term 'God' that it has taken on a secondary meaning all of it's own.Not at all.  The term "god" means "one whom we should fear", or "one of might", basically.  Some of these ones "of might" just happen to be powerful spirit beings.  How can you say th…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ May 29 2011,15:58)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 30 2011,02:37)Quote (942767 @ May 29 2011,07:40)These are some scriptures which may interest you:14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is,…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 29 2011,15:22)There is no 'the' in 1c.Correct. That's why we know Jesus is not THE God, but A god.

Quote (Lightenup @ May 29 2011,15:28)Istari,People have been teaching the eternal Son who was begotten before the ages since the early church.But not any people who actually partook in writing the scriptures, right?

Quote (Lightenup @ May 29 2011,16:28)All things are definitely from and by the Father and the Son but not all things were within the Father. No…………that's not what it says, is it?  It says all things are FROM God and THROUGH Jesus.  How in the world do you read that scripture and then make the claim “from the Father AND the Son”?  And wh…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ May 29 2011,13:45)Mike,NO – I do not agree…So then Jesus is NOT a mighty one?  Quote (Istari @ May 29 2011,13:45)Your tenet is that 'God' or 'Mighty One' are equivalent to 'Almighty God'.Wrong.  I have NEVER said or even implied that.  I know exactly what "God OF gods" and "God Almighty" and "God Most High" mean.  Do YOU know wha…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 27 2011,11:48)Hi Kerwin,God begets God who contains the Father God's nature.God cannot beget a god.Hi Kathi,Phrase it correctly. John calls the Father “THE GOD” in 1:1, right? So let's use that terminology for your “like begets like” scenario:THE God begets THE God. Does that sound sensible to you now?

Istari,Like I said, “Can you read?”Paul speaks of having residence IN HEAVEN.  It is not said or even implied that he will “visit earth on occasion, and so needs a 'standby' body available for these visits”.He hopes to take up residence IN HEAVEN with the kind of glorious body Jesus NOW HAS.And yes, you and Shimmer have BOTH said that Jesus is…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 29 2011,12:22)which is the Soverighn God allmighty who Identifies Himself as the Father, Son, and Holyspirit.   What scripture was that again?   Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 29 2011,12:22)You do realize Paul first states that there are CALLED gods not that they are gods in reality.Lame.  The reason something is us…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ May 25 2011,03:17)Written…Egeneto anthrwpos apestalmenos para theou…Translated…There was a man sent from God…If Mike wants to change the scriptures to read (Mike's translatin)There was a man sent by God…I cannot correct you for you do not take correction too well.Hi Paladin,Do you really want to go down this road?  Luke…[Read more]

Okay, but we're getting off topic with this, Istari.The discussion is about whether or not there is literally only one god in existence. The fact that Jehovah is the God OF gods should settle the whole discussion, but for some odd reason hasn't.You are correct that "god" is a title for a mighty one. But these mighty ones include angels, demons,…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 28 2011,21:12)And Avida and Barcalba,(49) who were chief men and rulers, and wore the royal headband,(50) drew near to Addaeus, and asked him about the matter of Christ, requesting that he would tell them how He, though He was God, appeared to them as a man: And how, said they, were ye able to look upon Him? And he proceeded…[Read more]

20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.Can you read, Istari?  Paul is speaking to those he feels will be resurrected to HEAVEN, not…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 29 2011,10:08)Mr. Amnesia, I have no clue what your talking about.  1. your started to state that Jesus is Beelzebub. Here:Quote Do you believe Jesus that he is the Prince of the Demons and the Ruler of them?  Do you believe him to be the one called "Satan"?I interpreted your Question as if Your asking if Jesus is t…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 29 2011,09:49)IstariQuote God Almighty, YHVH, is not imitatable in human form for He is the source of ALL POWER. a human King is not ALL POWERFUL for even he could not sustain himself without Helpers and requires input from his ministers – God uses his ministers for His and our convenience – not from necessity.Excellent…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 28 2011,21:31)Mike,The Father always existed, you know that right?  The Son was in Him. Kathi, EVERYTHING was “in Him” at one time.  Paul said that ALL THINGS came FROM the Father.  Are ALL THINGS from eternity just because they came FROM God?Quote (Lightenup @ May 28 2011,21:31)You deny that the scriptures call Him 'our gr…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 29 2011,04:41)The fourth member can be the bride of Christ. She partakes in divine nature and if she marries God, then she must also be God because whoever heard of an interspecies marriage?Not only that, but by marriage, she will become one flesh with God, ensuring that She Herself is also God.But why stop there?  Let's go for a…[Read more]