Quote (Tim Kraft @ June 02 2011,04:17)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 02 2011,14:39)Quote (Tim Kraft @ June 01 2011,03:39)I truly don't know why there is an attempt to divide Jesus from God.Hi Tim,Is it not clear to you that Jesus and God are two separate individuals?Hey Mike: This is a very deep subject. I see the term “God” as absolute, all-inclusive…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 02 2011,00:56)And where does it say “is” with us? I dont see that word there orginally in the greek texts espeacily when the interpretation of the name is already given. The HEBREW word (not Greek) could be translated as “God with us” or “God IS with us”.  And the Greek interpretation, as given in Matthew 1:23 could…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ June 02 2011,12:07)The SPIRIT has no NEED of the Body, so why would Jesus transform the physical bodies of the elect into Spirit Bodies when a BODY cannot enter Heaven…You tell me. It is YOU who makes this claim, so it is YOU who needs to explain how Paul, knowing his citizenship was to be of heaven, was anxious to receive a new…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 02 2011,09:34)What part of this you don't understand OR believe, “THE SON OF MAN CAN DO NOTHING OF HIMSELF, THE FATHER WHO IS IN ME (HE) DOTH THE WORKS”, you don't seem to see that God was truly (IN) Jesus and spoke to him and through Him first person.Gene,I don't share your view that the Father, who Jesus always…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 04 2011,10:19)No one including Kathi is saying the Syriac should take precedence over the inspired scriptures. I hope you come to MY defense with those same words when I'm pointing out the discrepancies between the words of scripture and the words of these people she's quoting.Can I count on you to do this?

Quote (Lightenup @ June 03 2011,22:34)Here are two that are YHVH:Zech 10:12 “And I will strengthen them in the LORD (YHVH),         And in His name they will walk,” declares the LORD (YHVH).Why “TWO”, Kathi?Matthew 17:9As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, “Don’t tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has bee…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 04 2011,10:56)BTW MikeYou didn't address this point as well as others… For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but ”IF YE **THROUGH (dia)** THE SPIRIT” do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. Rom 8:13Mike, does the Holy Spirit do the work of destroying the deeds of the flesh or does the word (di…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 04 2011,11:32)Again, when you can logically explain how something can “come through” someone “without coming from” that same someone then you may have a point.Tertullian Against Praxeas, 9:For the Father is the entire substance, but the Son is a derivation and portion of the whole, as he himself confesses, “My Father…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 04 2011,11:32)Again, when you can logically explain how something can “come through” someone “without coming from” that same someone then you may have a point.Tertullian Against Praxeas, 9:For the Father is the entire substance, but the Son is a derivation and portion of the whole, as he himself confesses, “My Father…[Read more]

Revelation 1:1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place.Keith, WHO is the ultimate source of John's revelation?And is this “God” that John mentions a “THEY” or a “HE”?

Revelation 1:1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place.Keith, WHO is the ultimate source of John's revelation?And is this “God” that John mentions a “THEY” or a “HE”?

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 04 2011,10:49)Well when you can explain how logically something comes through someone but is not coming from that someone you may have a point.Keith, I don't have to "explain it", but only believe God's words.  All things are FROM God and THROUGH Jesus.  I don't know how it works or what exactly it means.  I only be…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 03 2011,23:26)Mike actually states that “Of course no other god is "God" as Jehovah is”.  I simply see nothing I disagree with in what he states when I examine what he actually believes on the matter.  I'm only claiming what the scriptures teach.  I have also had to adjust my own understanding on this issue.  But I'd rather…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 03 2011,22:24)Interesting how Job, after his flesh is destroyed by worms, will see God, while in his flesh.Job 19:25-27For I know that my Redeemer liveth, and that He shall stand at the latter day upon the earth. And though after my skin, worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: Whom I shall see for myself,…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 03 2011,22:24)Interesting how Job, after his flesh is destroyed by worms, will see God, while in his flesh.Job 19:25-27For I know that my Redeemer liveth, and that He shall stand at the latter day upon the earth. And though after my skin, worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: Whom I shall see for myself,…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 03 2011,22:20)Mike,Context tells you if “God” refers to a particular person within the Godhead, whether the Father or the Son, or if it refers to the Godhead which consists of the Father with His Son and their Spirit.KathiOh I see.  So then when many scriptures clearly list Jesus as someone other than God, you can say…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 03 2011,22:20)Mike,Context tells you if “God” refers to a particular person within the Godhead, whether the Father or the Son, or if it refers to the Godhead which consists of the Father with His Son and their Spirit.KathiOh I see.  So then when many scriptures clearly list Jesus as someone other than God, you can say…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ June 04 2011,08:10)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 02 2011,13:16)Quote (Paladin @ June 01 2011,08:39)Luke 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour *with God.Whatever you say about “para” in John 17:5 must also apply to Luke 1:30, or a reasonable explanation as to why not,First that's a strange…[Read more]

Hi Paladin,Let me show you some of the diversions you use to avoid my point:CASE IN POINT #1Quote (Paladin @ June 03 2011,00:50)Mike, the “imperfect” you are calling in question, is not the verb “to be;” it is the verb eixon “I had.”  I have not “tried to imply” anything, Mike, I pointed out an obvious error in your response to me. In a plainly…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 03 2011,22:45)The Father was not able to offer eternal salvation apart from His Son, was He?You are confusing the fact that God CHOSE a particular way and vessle through which to save us with your mistaken view that God WAS NOT ABLE to do it any other way.You are putting limitations on the One who created the heavens, the…[Read more]