Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 05 2011,11:08)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 05 2011,05:46)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 02 2011,09:34)What part of this you don't understand OR believe,  “THE SON OF MAN CAN DO NOTHING OF HIMSELF, THE FATHER WHO IS IN ME (HE) DOTH THE WORKS”,  you don't seem to see that God was truly (IN) Jesus and spoke to him and through H…[Read more]

Istari, was there a simple answer to my simple question in that last post of your? If so, then cut and paste ONLY the answer to my question so I can read it. I refuse to read your long drawn out posts on this subject, nor do I read them on any subject on any thread.Say what you need to say clearly and succinctly. There is no need for the…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 05 2011,10:21)Im the Son of my Father, and im still HUMAN. Jesus is the Son of God, and he is? what?D, your father is a human being, right? So therefore as his son, you are a DIFFERENT human being than your father, right?God is a spirit being, right?  So naturally, as His Son, Jesus would be a DIFFERENT spirit being…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 05 2011,01:41)And the whole arguement has always been that Jesus is GodI'm well aware of WHAT the agument is.  It's just that your claim is not supported by any scripture, and is clearly contradicted by MANY of them.  Jesus is the SON OF GOD, not God.Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 05 2011,01:41)Son of God? ok what is t…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 05 2011,01:32)Hi Mike,I cant tell who are you writing to because David was quoted along side with me.  So when you say "D" i cant tell if your reffering to "D"avid or "D"ennison. Just sayin, I dont know of Tertulian that much, and on just the little i have read about him and the things he has written, i dont really…[Read more]

Both posts were very good – almost as if an intelligent person possessed you for a moment.  And I have no “problems” that I'm aware of concerning churches – unless you speak of the many writings and teachings of church leaders that clearly contradict what the scriptures say.  

Quote (Istari @ June 05 2011,02:11)What you FAIL to acknowledge is that a BODY CANNOT INHERIT the kingdom of Heaven…This is your main misunderstanding, Istari.  (I say main because there are many others.    )Scripture never says a BODY cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, but that FLESH can't inherit it.  But in your mind, BODY equals FLESH.  Bu…[Read more]

Good posts Deuce!    You made some very good points and I agree with almost all that you said.And you may be right that I'm a mess, but in my weakness he is strong.  Thanks for that info, Shimmer.  The best ammo atheists have is “Christians” themselves, who go in on Sunday morning and honor Him with their lips, then leave the building and deny Him…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 04 2011,23:45)Ha, Paul…touche'We each found a verse that both speak of YHVH being from everlasting with two different words which are both found in Micah 5:2 which Mike claims Jesus had a beginning because of those two words.If they prove Jesus had a beginning, then he has to say that YHVH had a beginning also, which we…[Read more]

Please don't fault me for forming my understanding around the words of scripture. Jesus IS a spirit, and Jesus DOES have a body. And although I've shown you many more proofs during the course of this thread, that one simple fact is really all that is needed for you to know that spirits have bodies.Phil 320 But our citizenship is in heaven – a…[Read more]

Quote (csaliba @ June 04 2011,14:56)HI Mike,I agree with you that the Father as an entity,never left heavenAs an entity, He is never said to be anywhere besides heaven, and so this part of your statement is accurate.Quote (csaliba @ June 04 2011,14:56)in fact nobody could ever be in that realm with the exception of His Son.Thanks for the thought,…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 02 2011,01:35)If Acts 4 proves that The Father is Creator to the exclusion of Yeshua then by that same logic 1 Cor 8:6 and Jude 1:4 proves that Yeshua is Lord (to us) to the exclusion of the Father.Well, we KNOW that Acts 4 DOES credit God with the creation TO THE EXCLUSION OF JESUS, right?So that one is a given, case closed.…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ May 31 2011,05:17)Churches mentioned Jesus a lot. What about God (the Father)?Brilliant point, Shimmer. They seem to exalt the Son ABOVE his own Father and God, the Creator of all things.

Quote (Istari @ June 04 2011,14:47)Kathi,Then what value are you bringing to us – for ALL mainstream CHURCHES proclaim to be serving God thtough Christ – and so they should – what exactly are you telling us?It's like saying that sunshine is warming – or that water is wet!Lately she seems to be telling us that sunshine is wet and water is warming.…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 04 2011,14:25)It was the man that needed the power, etc., the Son had the power of God by nature.Really?  Then why now, AFTER Jesus has been exalted, does he STILL wait for his God to place his enemies at his feet?Quote (Lightenup @ June 04 2011,14:25)In Acts 4, the Lord here is likely referring to the Godhead, the word…[Read more]

True Dat, Pierre. (Which is the young kid's way of saying “Amen!”)

True Dat, Pierre. (Which is the young kid's way of saying “Amen!”)

Istari,What I'm asking you is really simple, and doesn't require all this thrashing you're doing.If Paul KNEW his residence was to be in heaven, then why was he anxious to get a new glorious body like the one Jesus now has?It's a simple question, a simple point, and should be easily answered.  The problem is that your OPINIONS about the bodies of…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 03 2011,02:20)This is what I found out.Transliterated word: archēgos1) the chief leader, prince    a. of Christ 2) one that takes the lead in any thing and thus affords an example, a predecessor in a matter, pioneer 3) the author So I do see Jesus as the predecessor and perfector of the one true faith.That was not your p…[Read more]