Quote (shimmer @ June 05 2011,17:26)Ahh… Ja… Mike,Your beliefs are actually nearly the same if it werent for your disagreement over this spirit bodies and other such.You should be united together not argueing.A spirit of division has come between you both.  I know the cause… mhmHi Shimmer,Istari and I agree on every single understanding he…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ June 05 2011,16:16)Also, how many times do you want to hear: YES, their (His) Citizenship WILL BE IN HEAVEN…Then what use has he of a BODY, Istari?Quote (Istari @ June 05 2011,16:16)Jesus was RAISED INTO A FLESH AND BONE BODY – this is the GLORIOUS BODY THAT THEY TOO WILL BE RAISED UP IN – just like CHRIST…So Paul was raised…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ June 05 2011,16:56)I'm confused.Were 'we' sustained through 'he who would become Jesus' before he became the Begotten Son and was given the Power and Authority to rule 'as God' over his Father's Kingdom?  One place states that Jesus created all things – for how can all things have been created THROUGH HIM yet not BY HIM?Hi…[Read more]

Paul,Don't address the fact that YOU'VE been proven wrong by telling ME that I need to mature in MY understanding.  I asked you to examine your own “Jesus created” proof texts.  Have you done this yet?  Have you found one that actually says Jesus created anything?Let me know when you do, okay?

That's a pretty vague statement, Kathi. Do you know of a scripture that says Jehovah's beginning was from days of old?

Quote (Istari @ June 05 2011,15:50)it's not WRONG to be Wrong – it's WRONG to keep thwarting TRUTH: to keep from admitting you were wrong!!I know. That's why Pierre, Irene and I keep hoping you will just stop all this nonsense and admit you were wrong. Waiting for the answer still.

Quote (Lightenup @ June 05 2011,15:16)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 05 2011,10:22)Quote (Lightenup @ June 04 2011,23:45)Ha, Paul…touche'We each found a verse that both speak of YHVH being from everlasting with two different words which are both found in Micah 5:2 which Mike claims Jesus had a beginning because of those two words.If they prove Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 05 2011,14:53)I am stating that while each are God according to nature, they are distinct persons…one as Father and one as Son.D, Kathi is what is called a “ditheist” – one who believes in TWO separate equal and eternal Gods.

1 Cor 12 is not related to this discussion, but instead shows how Paul used a real human body as a metaphor for the body of Christ. He is teaching that as members OF the body of Christ, we are all important, just like a real hand is important to a real body, etc.I'm waiting for the answer from my last post.

Quote (942767 @ June 04 2011,18:50)Mike, you showed me a scripture where it happened that the author of Hebrews states that Abraham met Melchizadek and called him in this scripture Abraham although his name was still Abram when he actually met Melchizadek, but no, it would not matter if you found several more incidents because that is not the case…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ June 04 2011,18:13)Hi Mike:Jesus existed in the heart of God to be manifest to humanity in his timing, and Jesus was asking God to glorifiy him with the glory that was foreseen that he would have with the Father in his exalted position as head of the church.Ah, but here's another chink in your armor, Marty.  First, you assume that…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ June 05 2011,14:12)Mike, who is the NATURAL MAN – and who is the SPIRITUAL MAN?Are they not both HUMANKIND IN THE FLESH ON EARTH?Yes.  So see how you've shown that you are capable of understanding ONE of the main meanings of “spiritual”?  Why is it that you can ONLY understand that ONE meaning of the word, and you can't u…[Read more]

Quote (Tim Kraft @ June 05 2011,05:19)When you read a parable like Jesus gave us where he is the vine and we are the branches, could you tell me how a branch that is connected to a tree and living off the food and life force of that tree could be separate from that tree, and live?Hi Tim,It seems you assume that there exists only one vine in all of…[Read more]

Hi Pierre,Istari knows full well the two main meanings of “spiritual”, because I've posted them side by side for him before. He tries to forget the one meaning that says “belonging to a spirit” though.

Hi D,So you disagree with Tertullian's common sense understanding that He who makes is one, and he through whom the thing is made is another?It is for this point that I brought up Tertullian in the first place, and you've not commented on this part of his writing.

I'll stick to dwelling on what the scriptures actually teach, Kathi.  And I have yet to read a scripture that says, “Since we know Jesus is God's literal Son, we also know that he is the only son who was ever begotten, created, born, and had his beginning after he already existed from eternity”.  So in the absence of said scripture, I have no r…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ June 05 2011,13:20)So, ALL who come out of the Tribulation will have INCORRUPTIBLE SPIRITUAL BODIES…What scripture, please?Quote (Istari @ June 05 2011,13:20)…but only the Elect will enter heaven and have their abode there!And as one of these elect, why do you suppose Paul was worried about his new transformed BODY?  He said…[Read more]

Hi Paul,I'll take your last post as your acknowledgement that the prayer in Acts 4 speaks of ONE who created all things, and a DIFFERENT one named Jesus Christ.It's good enough for me to know you can't defend your understanding in light of what you call my “eisogetical interpretation of a single prooftext”.Scriptures don't contradict each other,…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 05 2011,13:14)I'm just growing in more understanding of what that really means.In that process, you seem to be growing ever farther away from what God's written words actually teach us.

Was my answer in that last post Istari? Please point it out to me.