Quote (kerwin @ June 09 2011,22:27)Your response sounds like you are arguing for the sake of arguing Hi Kerwin,I disagree with your claims about “logos” versus “rhema”.  Your understanding seems to stem from your eagerness to refute that Jesus is the Word who was with God in the beginning.   Even understood your way, nothing about those d…[Read more]

Quote (Rena @ June 10 2011,17:48)I agree with you Mike.But having something new means the old is gone.But Paul says “transformed”, right? As in his body will be transformed into a glorious body adapted to living in heaven, where his citizenship would be.I don't understand the rest of your post, or how you SCRIPTURALLY came to the conclusion that…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ June 10 2011,09:43)“einai” is present active infinitive, which according to your own source, (ATR) says “the present infinitive is most ~ used only once with pro (Jn 17:5).The ~ present infinitive, is timeless and durative.” “~ Linear or durative action may be represented by a continuous line .In other words, “einai” is not…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ June 10 2011,07:05)Well, Mike, that's what happens when you “translate” everything to accomodate your doctrinal needs.Paladin,Unlike you and many others, I have no “doctrinal needs”. I've said 100 times that it wouldn't change my faith one way or the other if Jesus didn't pre-exist. But my understanding is based on the…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ June 09 2011,22:52)Mikei agree with Irene ,you doing a great Job for the truth of scriptures and so to restore Godly truth were it should be .Pierre

Quote (terraricca @ June 09 2011,21:55)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 10 2011,21:09)Quote (Lightenup @ June 09 2011,13:21)As you can see Jehovah God is two personsKathi says:  “As you can see Jehovah God is two persons.”Scripture says:  “Jehovah our God is ONE.”MikeKathi has double vision   PierreWell, she does live in the homestate of Jack Daniel's Wh…[Read more]

Thanks Firecrackers!

Quote (Tim Kraft @ June 09 2011,04:19)Mike: Excellent response. We perceive God differently………..That we do, Tim! As time goes by, perhaps our understandings will move closer to each other. I know I'm constantly learning and adjusting what I formerly thought in light of a scripture I didn't fully understand before.You are still welcome at…[Read more]

Paladin,I have no clue what “give Himself in glory” is even supposed to mean. The words make no logical sense in English, as opposed to the words Jesus said about having glory alongside his God before the creation of the world.

Quote (Tim Kraft @ June 09 2011,09:05)I can promise this. Everyone who remains in the Old Testament will reap the destruction of the old testament. It produced sin and darkness. The New Testament give life more abundant. Not a hard choice for me, how about you? TKHi Tim,I think your practice of picking and choosing only “happy” scriptures to…[Read more]

Quote (Tim Kraft @ June 09 2011,05:14)In absolute trust I cannot even conceive of God destroying me or any other.Your understanding seems to come from what YOU personally want to believe about the God who created you.  Mine comes from the words of the scriptures.  Even your “God Jesus” will say, “Away from me evil doers, I never knew you”.  And th…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 09 2011,13:21)As you can see Jehovah God is two personsKathi says:  “As you can see Jehovah God is two persons.”Scripture says:  “Jehovah our God is ONE.”

Quote (kerwin @ June 08 2011,23:10)Note: I used the lexicons at searchgodsword.com to obtain the definition for logos and rhema.Look at the FIRST definition of both words, Kerwin. “A word uttered by a living voice”. If you and Paladin want to claim YOU know about some mystical meaning here and there, feel free. But “logos” and “rhema” BOTH…[Read more]

Hi Karena Marie,  Isaiah 57:15 NWT For this is what the High and Lofty One, who is residing forever and whose name is holy, has said………This verse teaches that God WILL BE forever, not that He HAS BEEN FROM forever.Deut 33:27 NWT A hiding place is the God of ancient time, And underneath are the indefinitely lasting arms. And he will drive aw…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ June 09 2011,07:04)Jesus wants the glory of God himself, not the glory of being beside God.Surely Jesus knows that God shares His glory with no one, right?  Paladin, if there is no Greek rule prohibiting 17:5 to have Jesus asking to be glorified IN THE PHYSICAL PRESENCE of his God (which there isn't), then all of this is just a…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ June 09 2011,15:09)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 10 2011,01:59)Hi AllDoes anyone understand what Paul is asking here, because none of you have provided a name as Paul is asking?You're right Keith, I have not been given one single name yet, nor do I expect to. I wonder when Michael is going to retract his ridiculous statement?The…[Read more]

Quote (Rena @ June 09 2011,16:06)Does this not mean that the BODY is the opposite of the SPIRIT?1 Col 2:5 'For though I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in Spirit'Exactly. There – that should win the whole arguement.Hi Rena,You do know that “body” does not equal “flesh” right?  Didn't Paul talk about many bodies, some of flesh and others…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ June 09 2011,15:42)Mike,What does Paul mean when he says in 1 Cor 2:5 'For though I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in Spirit…'?Does this not mean that the BODY is the opposite of the SPIRIT?We've been through this already. NO, it doesn't mean that spirit is opposite BODY. It means in this case that spirit is opposite…[Read more]

And so Kerwin, you would be calling God's only begotten Son, our Lord, King and Savior, an “illegitimate mighty one”.Don't you agree that Jesus IS a “mighty one” who is not “THE ALMIGHTY ONE”?  Jesus IS the god who was with THE God in the beginning.  He IS the only begotten god.  Do you think Jesus is a “false god”?Paul says there are many gods an…[Read more]

Or he could do what Terraricca did and apologize for the behavior that resulted in a tile to the ones who were offended, ask t8 to forgive and forget, and have that tile removed.