Bump for MartyHi Marty,You keep saying, “in the mind of God” or “in the mind and heart of God” or “God had already forseen”, etc.My question is why JESUS, not GOD, would have said “the glory I HAD“?  And why did he use the words “I HAD” if the glory was only a glory forseen by God which Jesus hadn't yet attained to?Marty, if your Lord and King…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 08 2011,23:34)Since Jesus is not worthy of worship he an illegitimate god in the sence of being worshiped and thus departs from the typical model which is Jahovah.Hi Kerwin,While I don't think the one of a kind God Jehovah could be called “typical”, I agree that if you're going to define “god” as “one worthy of worship”, then…[Read more]

Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came up and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.Trinitarians like to claim that if Jesus has all power and authority, he must be God Almighty. But they conveniently ignore the words “GIVEN TO ME”. These words clearly imply that someone with even greater power and authority has GIVEN J…[Read more]

John 10:18No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.”Some claim 10:18 as a claim by Jesus himself that he is God Almighty. But the fact that this is a COMMAND from his Father destroys any chance of this being taken s…[Read more]

Hi Wispring,From dictionary.com:a·fore·time   /əˈfɔrˌtaɪm, əˈfoʊr-/ Show Spelled –adverb 1. in time past; in a former time; previously.

Quote (Istari @ June 12 2011,16:49)What do you mean by 'you have finally come to understand' – Mikeboll – Who do you think I am?Apparently someone who can't even comprehend the words I write, let alone the words written the the scriptures.  For example:Quote (Istari @ June 12 2011,16:49)You said there were those in heaven BEFORE Jesus with bodies…[Read more]

Hi Wispring,I disagree with the heart of your post, for I believe that Trinitarians break God's first commandment, which was uttered throughout the years by many messengers of God, and lastly by His main spokesman, the Word of God himself, whom God has made both Lord and King over us.I could be wrong, but I don't think disobeying the direct…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 06 2011,23:30)So My question still stands, what was the POINT in your opinion of why Jesus was called by that name if it is not for the purpose to state that he is “God with us”.That my Premise, that you been ignoring.Hi D,Let me answer your question by asking one of my own:If one of God's other many messiahs, say…[Read more]

John 10:30 NIV30 I and the Father are one.This is clearly not a proof that Jesus is God Almighty unless you consider John 17:20…………that they may be one as we are one—…………..to be saying that many others will also be God Almighty.(And once again, now we all know WHY John 10:30 is not a Trinitarian proof text.)

Hi All,Since David has “officially abandoned” us, I suggest we continue on without him.  In his first post he said:  We are looking for trinitarian “proofs” or arguments that should never ever be considered proofs because they are the weakest and most ridiculous “proofs.”I find it illogical to just “list” a scripture without saying WHY it s…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ June 11 2011,23:38)It is a fact the prophesy came down from heaven.Hi Wispring,Are you implying that it was “the prophesy about Jesus” that became flesh and dwelled among us with the glory of an only begotten from the Father? Are you implying that when the PERSON Jesus said “I came down from heaven”, he confusinly meant “The…[Read more]

How about the most popular one – John 1:1?John 1:1 NET © In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was fully God.From the 25 Trinitarian scholars who put NETNotes together:Colwell’s Rule is often invoked to support the translation of θεός (qeos) as definite (“God”) rather than indefinite (“a god”) here. However, C…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ June 12 2011,09:24)Onesimus was a slave and was in great sin and was figuratively 'Dead' on the streets of Rome having run away from his master.Paul figuratively RAISED Onesimus from his dead state and gave him a SPIRITUAL LIFE.Yay again, Istari!  You have now shown your capability of knowing the difference between “figuratively…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ June 12 2011,08:13)Jesus' NATURAL BODY was transformed into a SPIRITUAL BODY but still retained the nail holes from his crucifixion.If others in heaven already have SPIRIT BODIES – how did they get them when Jesus is PRE-EMINENT?Yay!  Istari is speaking truth finally!You are 100% correct that Jesus' NATURAL BODY that had the holes…[Read more]

Quote (Rena @ June 11 2011,16:56)God and the spirit son's or angels could do as JA said, come into the earthly realm and 'put on an earthly body and put it off again when going back to heaven. Where are the scriptures that support this theory, Kar?  For example, when Balaam's donkey could see the angel before Balaam could see him, did the angel…[Read more]

Hi Wispring,You haven't said anything that Rena hasn't already said.  Can you show me that “qedem” means “ETERNAL”? “Aforetime” and “precede” don't necessarily refer to “from eternity”, right?

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 10 2011,14:10)Hi WispringI am busy and will try to get to your post soon. In the mean time I recommend you brush up on the “perfect/indicative”  for “katabainō” (down) in John 6:38Blessings!WJI've tried to hammer this point home to no avail, Keith.If Jesus was “from heaven” the same way John the Baptist was sent…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 10 2011,22:11)“A Greek philosopher named Heraclitus first used the term Logos around 600 B.C. to designate the divine reason or plan which coordinates a changing universe. This word was well suited to John's purpose in John 1.”So a “divine reason or plan” was WITH God at the time it was God Himself, but then this plan bec…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 10 2011,16:29)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 09 2011,22:05)Quote (kerwin @ June 08 2011,23:10)Note: I used the lexicons at searchgodsword.com to obtain the definition for logos and rhema.Look at the FIRST definition of both words, Kerwin.  “A word uttered by a living voice”.  If you and Paladin want to claim YOU know a…[Read more]