Quote (csaliba @ June 14 2011,23:50)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 15 2011,12:28)Hi Charles,How is it that you know Jesus does have a body in heaven right now?  Just curious.mikeMike ,You didn't read my post properly?I stated so:The kind of body Jesus has is one that could materialize and go back to a spiritual one as He feels, and when He feels…[Read more]

Quote (Rena @ June 15 2011,05:35)So I think that sums up my answer?No, not at all. The question only requires a YES or a NO answer, Kar. Would you do me the honor of DIRECTLY answering a DIRECT question that was put to you? Or will you play games like Istari does?mike

Quote (942767 @ June 15 2011,18:42)I suppose he used the terms “I Had” because God has showed him that he would be exalted to his position as Lord and Christ The phrase “I HAD” does not correspond to “he would be exalted”, Marty.  In Phil 3:21, Paul speaks of his body being transformed sometime in the future.  Do you think, in this context, it w…[Read more]

Good post, t8. Great scriptural points!

Quote (942767 @ June 14 2011,19:25)God made everything by him and for him and without him was nothing made that was made, and that is for sure, but he did not become a sentient person until he was born of the virgin Mary.Everything was made “THROUGH” a “him”, who wasn't even a “him” until ages later?Nothing was made without this “him”, who wasn't…[Read more]

Quote (theodorej @ June 15 2011,12:38)It is not that the Father could or couldn't save us without the son… There is nothing the Father can not do….

Quote (terraricca @ June 15 2011,00:38)KathiQuote And this is where we disagree.  I believe the Father and the Son are interdependent with each other and always had each other.  I do not believe that the Father was independent of the Son.Kathi this comment is changing 99% of the bible ,so let me know when you are finish the written bookPierreWow P…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 14 2011,23:58)And this is where we disagree.  I believe the Father and the Son are interdependent with each other and always had each other.  I do not believe that the Father was independent of the Son.KathiHi Kathi,I guess that sums it up then.  I believe that we have an All-Powerful God who begot a Son and gave that So…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ June 15 2011,14:28)KathiI do not have chill pills like T8 has so I have to take 5

Quote (terraricca @ June 14 2011,16:14)Mikewhen God says his name is “I AM WHO I AM”  is this not imply I AM always I AM  ,yesterday ,tomorrow …………………Is there any one else who can say this ?PierreHi Pierre,I believe the most accurate translation is “I shall prove to be what I shall prove to be”, like the NWT renders it.I don't see h…[Read more]

Hi Wispring,So it doesn't bother you in the least that the Hebrew and Greek words WE use to teach God is from eternity are words that are used to refer to KNOWN past times, as in the early days of the nation of Israel?How exactly did WE come by our belief that God is from eternity if there is no scripture saying so?(Btw, OUR word “eternal” doesn't…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ June 14 2011,08:38) Mike knows the truth full well. His arguments swing through so many changes, from one side to another, through so many hoops… Even he doesn't know whether he is coming or going.BBUT what he IS DOING though, is to WEAVE the truth into his arguments very subtly and slowly… One day he will agree with what we…[Read more]

Hi Kar, Were you planning to answer my bolded question from my last post to you?mike

Hi Charles,How is it that you know Jesus does have a body in heaven right now? Just curious.mike

That sounds reasonable to me, Wispring.  But now that brings us to another problem (one of a few):  If the Hebrews didn't even have a real concept of eternity, then how can the Hebrew scriptures teach that God is “from eternity”?Here is another problem:From NETNotes:Mic 5:25tn Heb “from the past, from the days of antiquity.” Elsewhere both phras…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ June 12 2011,15:42)I am not one of those Jews living in that spiritually darkened time. I understand spiritual things differently than they did.Hi Wispring,So it was because these Jews were “spiritually darkened” that they mistakenly thought Jesus said HE came down from heaven when he really said “the prophecy of me” came down…[Read more]

Hey Keith,Wispring started it! (Btw Wispring, your last post was good. I now understand what you were trying to say previously.)peace,mike

Quote (Lightenup @ June 13 2011,14:58)Can anyone show me scripture that the Father could eternally save us apart from the Son?  Sure:Mark 10:27Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God.”Who do you think Jesus was referring to as “God” in this scripture, Kathi?Quote (Lig…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 12 2011,21:12)I just wanted to establish that the resurrection for all at the end is a resurrection of flesh and spirit.Some here seem to believe different.Hi Kerwin,I don't agree that those whom Kar and I were discussing, the ones who are “changed in the twinkling of an eye”, are resurrected in flesh, but in new spiritual…[Read more]

Quote (Rena @ June 12 2011,20:06)Mike, Jesus is not 'alone as the only spirit body in heaven. The first resurrection of the dead has taken place already. And I believe that those who die don't wait in the grave they're taken up straight away.Hi Kar,I partly agree.  I believe that ONLY the elect who die for the sake of Jesus' name are taken up…[Read more]