Quote (Istari @ June 18 2011,08:41)If each IS GOD then each has ALL the attributes of GOD.Good point.Paul says that since Jesus died and was raised, death NO LONGER has mastery over him. When did death EVER have mastery over God Almighty?

Quote (kerwin @ June 18 2011,04:35)Steven calls the gods of other nations, members of the heavenly hosts.But God turned away from them and gave them over to worship the hosts of heaven,Thank you for that one, Kerwin!    It is another clear instance of gods being worshipped who are neither God Almighty nor "idols".

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 16 2011,02:02)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 06 2011,00:43)Hi D,So you disagree with Tertullian's common sense understanding that He who makes is one, and he through whom the thing is made is another?It is for this point that I brought up Tertullian in the first place, and you've not commented on this part of his writing.Hi…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 17 2011,17:46)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 06 2011,03:21)Pierre,You should re-read what im sayin because right now your making yourself sound ignorant.Im the Son of my Father, and im still HUMAN. Jesus is the Son of God, and he is? what?Hi Dennison,Jesus is also the son of his mother, and she is? what?God bless  Ed…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 17 2011,07:46)Jesus is the "God" of all creation who sits in the throne of God ruling as God.No, Jesus is the Son OF "the God of all creation", who sits AT THE RIGHT HAND of God Almighty.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 17 2011,07:46)It is obvious satan is not "a god" at all but only rules by deception because he has…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 17 2011,06:59)Paul said there are "no gods but one", his language cannot be any more clear.Paul said there are MANY gods, both in heaven and on earth. And when he spoke of there being "no God but one" FOR US, he clearly told us WHO that "one God" was – THE FATHER.His language could not be any more clear, Keith. …

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 16 2011,02:08)Mike tried to used a shady tactic to try to excuse the mention of Jesus as God Almighty by stating that he is "one of many gods".We wont let him make that excuse.Yes, Mike has tried to use the very teachings of scripture as a "shady tactic"! And I agree that you will try your best to not let me use the…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ June 18 2011,03:19)Has anyone noticed that the Mikeboll's and the Irene's are ONLY claiming that JESUS has a body as a SPIRIT?  Not one single word concerning the ANGELS – who are SPIRITS – and GOD – who is a Spirit – nor the Holy Spirit – who is a Spirit??? Weird, or what!!!Wow Pierre!First, he ignores your question over and over…[Read more]

Quote (theodorej @ June 16 2011,06:29)Quote (Lightenup @ June 16 2011,18:56)Quote (theodorej @ June 15 2011,13:38)Quote (Lightenup @ June 14 2011,07:58)Can anyone show me scripture that the Father could eternally save us apart from the Son?  Greetings Kathi … It is not that the Father could or couldn't save us without the son…There is nothing…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 16 2011,01:59)Pierre,You ought to read the book.Where does this verse say 'first created?'The word “creation” is genitive in this verse, which means it says “firstborn OF creation”, not “OVER” creation.And just as the one who was “the firstborn OF the human species” would be included IN the group of “the human species”, the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 16 2011,01:51)I don't believe that the Son is a creation so that statement alone shows that you will make things up just to insultKathi,When you claim that God is dependent upon His Son, then whether you like it or not, you ARE claiming that God is dependent upon one of His creations.

Quote (942767 @ June 15 2011,19:11)“He had it from the beginning”.Your doctrine is confusing, Marty.  First, you have to imagine that the words “I HAD” refer to something somebody “WILL HAVE” in the future.Then you say “HE had it from the beginning”, when you don't even believe that Jesus WAS a “HE” from the beginning.HE had it, although HE…[Read more]

Istari,Are you ever going to answer Pierre's question?

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 16 2011,01:49)Hi Mike,Didn't anyone teach you that answering a question with another question can be rude??? No.  Nor would I have believed them if they did.Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 16 2011,01:49)So its either that Jesus is literally named “immanuel” or he is named that because He is literally “God with…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 16 2011,01:34)Perfect would beget perfect.Yet Jesus was MADE perfect through suffering.  Only then did his God exalt him to the esteemed position he now holds and give him the name that is above all other names.  Only BECAUSE OF the suffering he bore was he deemed worthy by his God to open the scroll.Quote (Lightenup @ J…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ June 16 2011,13:20)Jesus does not have a BODY in HeavenThank you. I will now create the poll.

Quote (Rena @ June 16 2011,06:27)Mike, you want a straight 'yes or no answer?Ok. No, it doesn't make sense to me that – in your word's – “the one who rules over heaven (and those who have been resurrected since him) are constrained by bodies while the angels they rule over are unconstrained and everywhere all the time”. – because I don't believe…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ June 15 2011,00:15)By the way a valid modern definition of forever is also always and at all times so rest easy.  So, therefore, you can use the NWT Isaiah 57:15 and be safely within the definition of forever and mean also from forever.May God bless you for trying, guys!  Wispring, I thought of that one last night and looked i…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ June 15 2011,01:55)What you imply is that Jesus was raised into a SPIRIT BODY.No.  Raised in flesh, and then had that body TRANSFORMED into his new, glorious spiritual body – the one that Paul referred to in Phil 3:21.Quote (Istari @ June 15 2011,01:55)the very word 'Spirit' means 'Immaterial and invisible, Bodiless'How does the…[Read more]

Quote (Rena @ June 15 2011,05:35)What? Mike! Interesting that you would encourage this type of behaviour in a young one?What's interesting is how you continue to praise and defend (thereby ENCOURAGING) Istari's bad behavior, but you are the first to come crying on his behalf if anyone says one single offensive thing BACK to him.Try playing with an…[Read more]