Quote (kerwin @ June 23 2011,23:02)So what we have is that {All / Some) flesh and blood cannot come into possession of the God’s reign.Hi Kerwin,What scripture makes you think that “certain kinds of flesh” CAN inherit God's Kingdom?  If it said “DOGS can't inherit God's Kingdom”, would you consider that to mean “only certain kinds of DOGS”?  I…[Read more]

Let's dumb this thread down and simplify it.Titus 2:13 might be calling Jesus “mighty god” and it might not be.  If it is, then it is simply a fulfillment of Isaiah 9:6, and therefore not a trinity proof, right?  If it is not calling Jesus “mighty god”, then it's still not a trinity proof, right?So what's left?  The “savior” part?  God sent man…[Read more]

 What the crap are you talking about? If a man and a wife make up “MARRIED COUPLE”, and “MARRIED COUPLE” has a son, then chances are that their son is NOT going to be “MARRIED COUPLE” themselves, right?And what you imply is that Jehovah and Jesus make up “MARRIED COUPLE”, and Jesus is the Son OF “MARRIED COUPLE”.  How can that be?  If BOTH of th…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 25 2011,20:18)Mike,Everything I posted here shows two distinct persons, one is a Father and the other is a Son.  No one is saying that Jesus is the Son of Himself.  I don't know where you get these ideas.Kathi, you have stated clearly that both the Father AND the Son make up “God”. If Jesus is the Son OF “God”, and the F…[Read more]

Yes Kathi,There are many people out there who think Jesus is the Son of himself.  They are wrong, so even if you post a million of them, it won't make them anymore right.Add it up sister:  Jesus is the Son OF God Almighty.  If Jesus is also God Almighty, then he is his own Son. And if you imagine a “God the Father” AND a “God the Son”, then you no…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ June 25 2011,19:50)Mikeboll at one point says that the Holy spirit is EVERYWHERE –LAST WARNING ISTARI!IF YOU PURPOSELY MISREPRESENT WHAT I BELIEVE EVEN ONE MORE TIME, YOU ARE GONE!MODERATOR

Tim,Your view is formed from only the NT because you don't like the God of the OT.  But if you WERE to read the OT, you'd find out that others raised the dead to life before Jesus did.  You'd find out that others commanded the elements before Jesus did.Were these others, who did things “no man could do” also God Almighty?Why can't we all just c…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ June 25 2011,19:32)The Spirit of stupor has invaded you. You are both in the wilderness without water (Holy Spirit).You are in 'Arid Places'HA!  How could I ONLY be in the arid places when I'm “everywhere all the time”?  Bye again Istari.  I only discoursed with you today to clarify my quoted “omnipresent” statement.I like it be…[Read more]

Pierre,As usual, I only see 3rd grade rhetoric in Istari's last post, and not even an attempt to answer my earlier points nor how you aren't omnipresent.Istari, you MUST stop telling LIES about what I believe.  I've cut you plenty of slack for a long time because I know one tile will ban you.  But I won't keep cutting that slack.  If you co…[Read more]

Yes, men can and do “mock” God. But man cannot “pierce” God. So if you take the LXX translation, then God is the one mocked while Jesus is the one mourned.If you take the Hebrew, the one who is pierced is the one who is lamented. IMO

Quote (terraricca @ June 25 2011,18:37)it is strange that you refuse all things to God and yet men have made mega structures around the world ,and control it from a small office somewhere convenient to themPierre,Your post was one of the best I've seen on this thread!  Not to mention HILLARIOUS!   So, what do you say, Wizard?  If Pierre can si…[Read more]

Istari,Are you REALLY that slow? Have I not addressed this issue at least 100 times for you already? You need to go to remedial classes, dude.In Galatians, Paul is speaking of FLESH beings behaving as if they are being driven by the spirit of God INSTEAD of being driven by the flesh they are made of. It is ONE of the MANY meanings of…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ June 25 2011,14:46)Hi Mike!  I believe that paladin knows you have so many Scriptures on your side, which He would have to reason away, that He won't debate with you…..My thinking….i read what He said testerday, and I thought NO WAY HOS AH.Hi Irene,I'm not a Greek expert, but I can surely read.  And Paladin knows that I will e…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ June 25 2011,18:22)Mike, are you saying that God is NOT OMNIPRESENTQuote Mike, are you saying that God is NOT OMNIPRESENTDoes God dwell among men on earth?  Or does He dwell in heaven?  Let the scriptures guide you on your quest for the answer to this riddle, Istari.If you find some scriptures that seem to make Jesus and Solomon o…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ June 25 2011,18:22)Between you and Mikeboll I don't know who to laugh at the most – or to PITY the most!!Fortunately for me and Pierre,We DO know who to laugh at and pity the most.

Quote (terraricca @ June 25 2011,11:40)Mikeif that is so then the ME is not Christ but GodHi Pierre,I think that's the point of this discussion. Some mss have the word “ME” while others have “look upon HIM they have pierced”.The trick is to figure out which is the correct translation, “ME” or “HIM”. It is only a problem for those who think…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 25 2011,12:06)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 25 2011,10:57)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 24 2011,15:37)David You are right. It has gotten off topic so I created a new thread and Moved it here…If David was right, then why didn't you take the rest of his advice and find a thread that already exists on saviors instead of…[Read more]

Quote (Rena @ June 25 2011,16:30)Mike, good points, I agree with you.

Quote (Istari @ June 25 2011,17:48)From Mikeboll:Quote I believe that it is the SPIRIT OF GOD that is OMNIPRESENTSo, Mike, NOW you believe that a SPIRIT can be EVERYWHERE…Ha ha ha – he he he … I am so tickled … Good call, Mike.. So, start with the HOLY Spirit… Then ALL SPIRITS…Spirits are EVERYWHERE…See, Mike… What did I say about…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ June 25 2011,16:56)I was watching a show called NOVA about the universe;I was amazed of the greatness of God s creation ,compere that to men yes we are less than a grain of sand,we have now pictures of some 8 light years away from us the earth ,this is very far,and still not even close to God ,I told in my heart ;yes this is my…[Read more]