Quote (942767 @ July 01 2011,18:13)Hi Mike:The question you say is:Quote And the question is why JESUS, (not God who foreknew everything), would have referred to a glory HE HIMSELF HAD before the creation of the world. God told him that he was foreordained, and about the glory that he had with him from the beginning.So God told the PERSON Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 02 2011,13:28)Mike,Yes it is a Messianic prophecy.  According to His humanity He became king after His resurrection, as I understand it.  According to His divinity He was always in authority with His Father in the kingdom of God, as the Son, from the beginning of creation.Rev 3 14″To the angel of the church in Laodicea w…[Read more]

Quote (Rena @ July 01 2011,13:03)Mike, I was thinking,”Now it happened on the day when God's sons came to present themselves before Yahweh, that Satan also came among them.” – Job 1:6This is Angels. You said that because they presented themself before God then God must have a body of some kind, ok, When Man prays, they present themself to God in…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 01 2011,08:43)Istari…………..He can't answer that question because it would contradict what he was saying. Mike is a Shall Gamer switching around and diverting attention away from sound truths.Says the person who thinks angels DO have bodies, but won't accept that angels ARE spirits.

Quote (Tim Kraft @ July 02 2011,04:31)We shall have Heaven on earth after we rid the earth of wrong belief, error of thinking, wrong thoughts, wicked spirits in high religious places, darkness, and lies!! IMO TKEvil PERSONS, Tim. Not evil thinking. God is NOT going to “brainwash” us so we're all “good boys and girls”.We have that chance right…[Read more]

Quote (csaliba @ July 01 2011,09:10)Pierre,Quote WRONG HOW COULD ONE BE THE FATHER AND THE SON AND ALSO BE THE SON AND THE FATHER,For God all is possible!!Translation: I know it doesn't make a lick of sense Pierre, but we can always fall back on the “For God all is possible!!” thing as a “cure-all” for any doctrine we invent.Charles, did you ever…[Read more]

Hi Tim,How do you reconcile this statement………….Quote (Tim Kraft @ July 01 2011,04:19)Mike: GOD IS NOT GOING TO DESTROY MANKIND!! ……………with this one?Quote (Tim Kraft @ July 01 2011,04:19)In the time of Noah the evil was washed away.Do you believe those evil ones of Noah's day were not destroyed?  You can call it “washed away” if…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ July 02 2011,02:20)Build another house – and it, too, will quickly become the dwelling place of every kind of Spirit – just like the rest…I agree.

Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2011,16:56)Hi Mike,Sorry for the misunderstanding………..

Quote (Paladin @ July 02 2011,15:55)Mike, I am really not interested in ………………………..Blah, blah, blah.  More circling and diversions, huh?  The fact is that YOU claimed the imperfect tense prohibited Jesus from referring to a glory he had before.  The fact is that YOU were WRONG!  Either own up to your mistake or continue to let…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 02 2011,09:29)It is sad to me that you can't understand that  Mike.Oh but I DO understand, Gene.  I understand completely that you personally and very strongly believe that Jesus never was anything except for “exactly like us”.  But your view is your own, and not supported by the scriptures.  You are welcome to it.  Bu…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 30 2011,21:37)1 Chronicles 177 “Now then, tell my servant David, ‘This is what the LORD Almighty says…………..11 When your days are over and you go to be with your fathers, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, one of your own sons, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 I will be his father, and he will be my…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 02 2011,07:36)Quote (Paladin @ July 01 2011,20:38)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 24 2011,13:20)Hi Ed,Paladin won't agree, and he knows why.  But if he does, it is to be a one question and one answer within a post that is 250 words or less……………and only for me and Paladin.Is there supposed to be some kind of shame attatched…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 01 2011,08:21)Mike…….If it was just a matter of the word by it self that could mean as you say many different ways. However it is not (IN) the sentence Peter said that way now is it? . Peter says it this way Jesus was “FOREORDAINED” (but) WAS “MANIFESTED” in our time.Gene, What more can I say? Manifest does NOT…[Read more]

These are your words, Paladin:“If in fact, Jesus had prior glory, and now does not, but asks to have it again, the tense would not be “imperfect” for the “imperfect” references action that was continuous.” But that is INCORRECT, isn't it Paladin?  The imperfect tense does NOT prohibit Jesus from asking for a prior glory he had in the past, does…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 30 2011,08:46)Mike…………first let me say your Netnotes is nothing more then another Trinitarian and preexistence wed site who change all kind of scriptures to meet there and your dogmas. Hardly a good choice to believe in. IMO , secondly it is evident you are not even believing most of what the definitions you…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 30 2011,08:22)Paladin………You have accurately produced the truth of this scripture brother. We know Jesus had his glory afforded him before he ever came into existence and this glory is exactly what he was speaking about, by saying the Glory I had with you before the world began.  But when people have a…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ June 30 2011,07:00)But of course, if you “corrected my Greek” as you claim, you would be forced to add some Greek to it, to get it to say what you believe it means, wouldn't you Mike?I DID correct your Greek, for YOUR claim was that Jesus couldn't have been speaking about a glory he once had but has no longer. 1. WAS THAT YOUR…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 30 2011,12:18)Let's see Mike,You say I have no scriptural support for my equation that says that Jesus and the Father are two mighty Gods…hmmmm. What do you call this:I've already killed your new made up doctrine in the other thread. Let's deal with it over there.

Quote (Tim Kraft @ June 30 2011,04:47)Mike: The key seems to me to be that those in God or of God or believers in God or those with faith in God are delivered from destruction!Had the others had faith is God they would not have died?IMO, TKYes Tim…………..in most cases that is what happened.But isn't this also what's GOING TO happen? Won't…[Read more]