Quote (942767 @ July 04 2011,18:59)Hbr 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: Here in verse 10 above God is speaking to His Son telling him that he “founded” the heavens and the earth in the beginningThis is Paul speaking of God………..not Jesus. But even…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ July 04 2011,18:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2011,09:43)Quote (Paladin @ July 04 2011,16:30)Wrong! What is there about “not completed” that you perceive as “stopped?”Where do you come up with “not completed” from “a continuous action IN THE PAST”?Basics Of Biblical Greek Grammar; Wm. D. Mounce The imperfect expresses linear…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ July 04 2011,18:21)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 04 2011,06:52)Quote (942767 @ July 03 2011,13:07)I answered your question.  Paul is not talking about the Logos of God in these verses.  He is talking of human wisdom.Right.  Which means the word “logos” does not ALWAYS refer to “the totality of God's Word”, but sometimes simply refers to…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 04 2011,14:51)Then your doctrine contradicts the scriptures that says we only have “One Savior”.Jesus is not a savior by proxy like a the rest.How can you pretend to take “One Savior” literally, and then use the phrase “like the REST”?    This tells me you are aware that God has sent His people MANY saviors t…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 04 2011,11:39)Mike,In the Messianic prophecy you speak of, the 'Word of the Lord,” e.d. the Son of God begotten before the ages, that came to Nathan to give Him the words from God.So one of our “mighty Gods” is an errand boy for the other “mighty God”?  Quote (Lightenup @ July 04 2011,11:39)The Son as the person who became…[Read more]

Hi Keith,Yes, I apparently did miss your response, though I'm not sure how I could have possibly missed all that red type!  Let me rephrase my question, for I was responding to Kathi's mention of Rev 3:14 when I asked it:Keith, WHOSE creation does REVELATION 3:14 say Jesus is the ruler/beginning of?Your “Jesus created” scriptures are a matter of…[Read more]

No Gene,There are many different meanings of “spiritual”.  Check any lexicon you want.But this is how you operate, Gene.  You don't really care that there ARE many different meanings.  You are willing to shout “THERE IS ONLY ONE MEANING”, knowing full well that the words coming out of your mouth are a lie.Gene, you are not interested in truth at…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 04 2011,16:02)When Jesus said to GOD that the disciples were from Above , does that also mean they preexisted before their berth.Scripture please?

You're one to talk, Gene.I can rarely make heads or tails out of the unorganized drivel you post.Btw, are you watching your hero of “growth” slowly get his clock cleaned for lying in the other thread?I'll do it every time, Gene.  Not because I'm smarter, but because my understanding is actually based on the scriptures.  How could I possibly go w…[Read more]

Paladin,You are showing yourself to be either very slow mentally, or very deceptive.The imperfect tense says, “they KEPT ON ASKING” as opposed to the past tense, which says, “they ASKED”.NEITHER of these refers to an action that has kept on going until the cows come home. BOTH of them refer to actions that eventually STOPPED at sometime IN THE…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ July 04 2011,16:33)Pay attention Mike. The iomperfect was silent as to any “cessation” of activity, but was not silent as to any “progression” of activity.If you want “cessaation” of activity, you want the “perfect tense.”Then explain Matthew 27:16:At that time they had in custody a notorious prisoner named Jesus Barabbas.Was…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ July 04 2011,16:30)Wrong! What is there about “not completed” that you perceive as “stopped?”Where do you come up with “not completed” from “a continuous action IN THE PAST”?

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 04 2011,15:22)Paladin incorporated the word “BEFORE” as a qualifier as to the tense of that Word .  You understand the word Before as a Past life reference , But Paladin accurately understands it as (IN FRONT OF) Jesus was demonstrating the Glory as the ONLY Begotten son of GOD, “BEFORE” the whole world .And as is so…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 04 2011,11:12)Jesus spoke this when he was in the flesh when he willingly subjected himself to the Fathers will. John 1:1, 14, Phil 2:4-6.But wasn't it also when Jesus was in the flesh that you claim he was “God with us” and “equal to God”?You can't have it both ways, Keith. Either Jesus WAS 100% God Almighty on…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2011,18:32)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 30 2011,08:56)The fact that Jesus is supreme ruler and sovereign over all the creation and that all things are in his hands and that he is the source of all things to the creation is all the proof any one should need to prove he is God!Hi Keith,1.  WHOSE creation does it say…[Read more]

Hi Keith,Happy 4th to you. I don't believe you've asked me your question, but I have many saviors. None of them, including Jesus, would have been able to save me apart from God though.

Istari,We've been through this a million times. If you answer the following question, you'll have the answer to your own:Istari, is there only ONE meaning of “spiritual”? YES or NO?

Poor Istari,Afraid to agree to answer my questions. What is he so afraid of, I wonder? Fortunately, the tuition he spent on clown college paid off for him in the end. Because he sure is one funny court jester!

Yes Gene,I am senseless when my Lord says “I came down from heaven” and I believe him.I am senseless to believe Paul and John when they say everything was created through him.I am senseless to believe my Lord when he says he is the beginning of the creation of God.No………….wait a minute here………………that's right, it is YOU who is…[Read more]

Istari is afraid to agree to answer MY questions in a direct manner, so he continues to post nothingness as he's done from page one of this thread.Haven't you all noticed that Istari's goal is not to actually discuss the issue at hand, but to belittle me? Did any of you hear the steam whistling out of his ears like an angry, red-faced cartoon…[Read more]