Quote (Paladin @ July 06 2011,02:02)But that would be more than three words, so you won't read it anyway.Hey! That IS usually the criteria involved when I decide whether or not to read your posts! How did you know?

Quote (942767 @ July 06 2011,19:00)Ok. Mike:Here are some scriptures that may help you figure this out:I'll tell you what, Marty: Take each of those scriptures you quoted, and ONE AT A TIME, explain to me how they prove that Jesus didn't pre-exist.

Quote (942767 @ July 06 2011,18:37)You don't have a case.  Why would God have to tell him about this if he was there with him from the beginning.  He would have already been aware of this without anyone telling him.  He is the “basis for the whole of creation”.  All things were made by him and for him and without him was nothing made that was mad…[Read more]

Good catch, t8!

Quote (Lightenup @ July 05 2011,22:01)The Lamb of God was not God the Father, the lamb was the man who was the Messiah.I agree.  So how do you explain these two scriptures?Revelation 15:3and sang the song of Moses the servant of God and the song of the Lamb: “Great and marvelous are your deeds, Lord God Almighty. Just and true are your ways, Ki…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 05 2011,14:55)Your interpretation of the contradicts the scriptures that state all things including judgment has been given to JesusWhat does God later GIVING things to Jesus have to do with Jesus creating?    Is that your BEST rebuttal of Acts 4?  Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 05 2011,14:55)But you claim the Fa…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 05 2011,14:55)That argument has been debunked in “The anti-Jesus is God fallacies” thread because if something comes through someone then that something is also coming from the one that it is coming through. He who makes is One, and he THROUGH WHOM the thing is made is another. – TertullianYou can PRETEND these wor…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 05 2011,14:54)So in other words in Revelation 3:14 John could be saying the creation belongs to Jesus and he is the God of the creation or he could be making the distinction between the Father and the Son who both are the “origin, originator, or ruler of the creation of God. No Keith.  3:14 has Jesus saying he is th…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 04 2011,23:21)Solomon was considered David's servant yet Solomon was David's son and King of Israel like David was.  So, your argument about one being called a servant and therefore not equal is empty.Is it?  Was Solomon still the servant of David after he was exalted to king?  Because Jesus is still the servant of his Go…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 05 2011,09:34)MikeSure I can because Jesus in nature was\is 100% God according to the Spirit and 100% man according to the flesh.Son of man = manSon of God = GodSo why would 100% God speak of his own God being greater than him?  In fact, why would 100% God even HAVE a God of his own?  Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 0…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ July 05 2011,19:06)Yes, he did come down from heaven,Okay Marty, One down, many to go!  Everything in heaven and on earth was created through him.  In fact, not one thing that exists came into existence without him.Do you also agree with these scriptures like you did with the other one?

Gene and Marty and Wispring,I just want you to notice who your hero really is.  I want you to take note of how he flooded and muddied up a bunch of posts in an effort to do ANYTHING to keep from answering a simple question that proves his original claim to be WRONG.Did you see his flippant remarks about Barabbas?  Would someone who has the truth o…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ July 05 2011,05:37)Quote (mike @ 64)Paladin,You are confusing an action that WAS continuous IN THE PAST with an action that is STILL ongoing and has NEVER ended.Not me. I never claimed any such thing. I have never said”Still ongoing” nor have I said “Never ending.” That is simply another example of your continual approach to my…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ July 05 2011,18:34)Hi Mike:I suppose that in the Greek as well as the English language there are synomyms, but I believe that God has given me the revelation as I have stated.  However, it is possible to miss what God is saying and for this reason, I will continue to study the two words, Logos and Rhema.Hi Marty,Fair enough.  If t…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ July 05 2011,18:50)If the blind lead the blind, both will fall in the ditch.Fortunately for both me and Pierre, it is the scriptures that lead us. I'm quite sure the written word of God is not “blind”.Marty, remember that the man who originally spoke what you quoted is the same man who said, “I came down from heaven”.

Quote (942767 @ July 05 2011,18:39)Hi Mike:And so, Jesus is the first creature ever created by God?Uh…………YEAH! He is the beginning of the creation by God. (Rev 3:14)He is the firstborn of all creation. (Col 1:15)God brought him forth as the first of His works. (Prov 8:22)His origins are from ancient times. (Micah 5:2)Shall I go…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 04 2011,18:34)Pierre,Stop being an antagonist!Keep fighting the good fight, Pierre. It does not go unnoticed on earth or in heaven.

Quote (Lightenup @ July 04 2011,18:31)One of the mighty Gods is the wise a powerful Son who serves His Father faithfully and the creation which they brought forth from nothing.So not only do we have TWO Gods when scripture is very clear we only have ONE, but one of these two EQUAL mighty Gods SERVES the other one?    Does that really sound like “…[Read more]

Well, we've learned that “spiritual” DOES have more than ONE meaning, haven't we Gene?    See?  Learning stuff is fun!  Now, please explain definition #2 to me.  Let's apply THAT definition to “spiritual body” in 1 Cor 15.  NOW what does it mean Paul is speaking of?  Could it be a body “BELONGING TO A SPIRIT”?    There you have it, sports fans&#03…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ July 04 2011,19:32)Hi Pierre:Why don't you tell me what he is saying by those scriptures?Here, let me!  Paul is telling those of us who aren't blinded by the god of this age that Jesus was the first creature God ever created in the beginning.  And after creating His firstborn, God proceeded to create everything else in heaven and o…[Read more]