Quote (terraricca @ July 09 2011,14:17)STwhere does Christ say ; “Our Father in heaven and earth”Hi Pierre,You misunderstood Wm. He was saying that IF God was in heaven AND on earth, Jesus' teaching on how we should pray would have made that clear, instead of teaching us that the Father is IN HEAVEN.

Quote (terraricca @ July 09 2011,13:04)geneso wisdom is also a craftsman ?Also for Gene:Was God without wisdom before He created it as the first of His works? Or is “wisdom” a metaphor for something or someone else God created?

Paladin, Look at your own words here:Quote I won't have to spend so much valuable time researching for something that may not be there.Quote I will not bargain with you by committing to something I do not understand, only to find I never said what you claim, to begin with.These are the words of a man who is unsure of what he may have said in the…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ July 09 2011,13:06)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 10 2011,05:29)Quote (Paladin @ July 08 2011,15:21)Mike, I'm still looking for the post where I said what you claim I said.If you know where it is, you really should include it with the first time you make the accusation, so I won't have to spend so much valuable time researching for…[Read more]

Hi Marty,Were you going to address my last post on this thread? Or should I just be waiting for the time that you finally find a scripture that actually prohibits Jesus from pre-existing?

No, He didn't. That verse is Paul speaking ABOUT the Father, and not Jesus.And even if it wasn't, "laying foundations of the earth" is not "CREATING THE HEAVENS, THE EARTH, AND EVERYTHING IN THEM", is it?We already know that Jesus was the master craftsman at his God's side in the beginning, right?

Quote (Paladin @ July 09 2011,03:44)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2011,08:36)Quote (942767 @ April 24 2011,15:12)He was in his ministry on earth and yet he was saying that he was in heaven at the same time.No he wasn't Marty.  Many mss don't even have the last line:  “Who is in heaven”.  And others have “who WAS in heaven” or “who is FROM he…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 08 2011,21:55)What i have noticed is there is definitely a dividing line here between People who are accruing truth and those who are stuck in there past preconceived dogmas and are void of the cognizance of the truth , but some are putting things together more and more clearly Here and it would be better to considerate…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ July 08 2011,15:21)Mike, I'm still looking for the post where I said what you claim I said.If you know where it is, you really should include it with the first time you make the accusation, so I won't have to spend so much valuable time researching for something that may not be there.Paladin, At least TWO of the times you said…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 08 2011,15:17)Marty……….You are right Jesus was having that Glory with the Father (Before),  or (in front of the word) while he was on this earth, the Father was truely With (IN) Him Just as He said He was, it had nothing to do with any past preexistence at all.  Paladin and you both are right in this brother. I…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ July 08 2011,13:08)And as to the imperfect “Echo” as it pertains to Barabbas in Matthew 27:16 the imperfect shows continual action, but he was released from that imprisonment or continual action, and so, I do not see that this is an equivalent situation to Jesus saying:Jhn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own…[Read more]

Hi All,I will accept the Kingdom of God like a child. I will accept His words the same way. If He and His agents say He dwells in heaven, then I believe that is where He dwells.There is no scripture that says God is “omnipresent”, yet like the Trinity, which also has no scriptural support, it seems to be the most common belief among Christians.peace,mike

Quote (thehappyman @ July 08 2011,14:06)Hi All ;      In Matt. 6:9 tells us where our Father is (as stated in other post)    which (art) in heaven ,   Where ?    … in heaven    where is His kindom …..in heaven ? …. so this prayer is to the point ,    and not repetitous. It is the perfect prayer. It is the truth, for it is    written. Pl…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ July 08 2011,17:29)I said that God is everywhere, but I see “God” as an office where Jesus is His agent here, and the Holy Spirit within us, has our realm covered and scripture is clear that the Father seats in Heaven (the spiritual realm). Now if the question had been “where is the Father”, I would have said heaven only.…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 07 2011,23:52)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 04 2011,19:35)Our Father is in heaven, as Jesus repeatedly taught us.  He dwells in unapproachable light that no man can look upon.He can rule over earth and be with us, for us, and in us through His active force (the Holy Spirit), and through His many vice regents.  But He Himself r…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ July 07 2011,21:52)mikeyes you right Wispring ,but with all the answers on hand now and so I see i am the only one that has vote God is in heavenif you also vote for heaven how come there is only my vote in there ?That is interesting Pierre. T8, why have both Pierre and I voted “Heaven”, but there is only one vote recorded there?

Quote (Istari @ July 09 2011,10:07)Mike, you know you are a beaten soul so all this shnakin around means nothing.Awwwww…………..whatzamatter precious?  Are you upset with ME because even the link YOU posted agrees with me?       Sorry sonny, you lost this debate the minute you entered it…………just like our other debates.  Let me know…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 09 2011,11:25)GeneBut you are not considering the spiritual nature of Jesus.But how can you assume that because Jesus has a spiritual nature like his God, he IS that God? You surely don't consider all the other spirit beings God created to BE God, do you?Why the exception for Jesus?

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 08 2011,13:18)I am here to share with you the truth my friend, and I hope you have the ears to hear what the Spirit is saying because without the Spirit of Truth you cannot know “The Truth” (John 14:6). “Sola Scriptura’ is not enough. I thought you would have learned this by now! Yes Keith, we are all well aware o…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ July 08 2011,05:11)Heres something on the spiritual man,From here:http://www.pelagia.org/htm/b15.en.orthodox_spirituality.01.htm The word “spirituality” (pnevmaticotis) comes from “spiritual” (pnevmatikos). Thus, spirituality is the state of the spiritual person. Spiritual man has a certain way of behaving, a certain mentality. He…[Read more]