Quote (shimmer @ July 10 2011,05:58)Does Spirit have a Body? Or does Spirit NEED a Body? NO!  But Spirit can be IN a body.  So… I can understand that from the point of view of Jesus being in Heaven – even if in Body… being with us in Spirit.Hi Shimmer,Very good.  Now consider the point Pierre and I have pushed since this thread started:  I…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ July 10 2011,09:26)Whether I write one word or a thousand words – the outcome is the same:Not even close, clown! If you write 20 or 30 well thought out words, I would actually READ your posts. As it is, I quickly skim over them.Think about that.

Quote (terraricca @ July 10 2011,08:48)Martyyou are talking like you are not looking for truth of scriptures but your ownEXACTLY Pierre!And that can be seen clearly from this statement he made:Quote What you are searching for with this question about Echo is to find some way to continue your arguement for the pre-existence of Jesus…………It…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 10 2011,07:32)MIke………..It does matter what Paladin said before , just as it matter what you said before and he has dealt with all you stupid questions and answered them and given his Opinion on the and has posted proof to back up most everything he has said. All you are after is to try to find ONE thing to give…[Read more]

NO MARTY!Like I've already made ABUNDANTLY clear to you and all, this wouldn't even be a deal if Paladin had opined, like you yourself did, that Jesus wasn't speaking of a glory he had in the past.But Paladin did not opine this thought.  Instead, Paladin claimed AS A FACT that the imperfect tense of “echo” PROHIBITED Jesus from speaking of a past…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ July 09 2011,20:17)Look at 24-6 for a clue.Is it to this that you refer?Quote I have short term memory problems,If so, then just accept my word that you DID claim what I've said you claimed. Your claim was inaccurate, and I would sincerely like to see you admit this FACT. And I won't let up until you do.As I said, it matters not…[Read more]

Why can't you just answer a simple question and end this charade?Paladin, does the imperfect tense of “echo” in John 17:5 PROHIBIT Jesus from speaking about a glory he had in the past with his God? YES or NO?Gene and Marty: Are you guys paying attention? Here is your “expert” in action. Why do you guys suppose he can't even answer a simple…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ July 09 2011,18:54)It is certainly true that I said that Jesus was the only one in heaven with a body………. STOP THE PRESSES!  WE HAVE A BREAKING STORY!  ISTARI HAS SPOKEN TRUTH FOR ONCE!  Quote (Istari @ July 09 2011,18:54)For goodness sake, Why can you guys not understand that in FIVE DIMENSIONS THERE CAN BE NO PHYSICAL EN…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ July 09 2011,18:30)Shimmer, Mike is feeling the effects of lying to God – he is getting really sore because he cannot answer the questions and his credibility is lost. Yet every time I turn around, someone else is agreeing with ME about this topic!We had the six scholars YOU linked us to. Then there was Bod in the other thread.…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ July 09 2011,18:25)Mike,Fair enough, but ok, Do you believe Jesus is also HERE? Because I do. I believe Jesus is in Heaven and on Earth. I have seen Jesus in vision in the heavens, and I have felt Jesus here beside me as I prayed. Jesus is appearing to Muslims by the millions in Dreams and Visions and they are seeing Jesus. How…[Read more]

If you say so, Shimmer.  The fact is that even JA used to say Jesus was the only being in heaven WITH a body because he was the first of a “new creation”.  Yet he also denies ever changing his view on this thread.I used to think Jesus was raised from the dead as a spirit being.  I don't anymore because YOU showed me scriptures that contradict th…[Read more]

Poor Istari,No one is paying attention to him.     So he rants and rants and rants.  He completely ignores the fact that the six scholars he pointed us to agree with me.    He says they don't, but can't seem to show how he came to that obviously false conclusion.  Even his staunchest supporter offered her two cents that “even scholars can be wr…[Read more]

bump for keith and kathi

Quote (kerwin @ July 09 2011,15:10)Just because you do not believe a scripture does not mean it does not exist.What?  Is that comment suppose to mean you know of a scripture that says God is “omnipresent”?If so, then lay it on me, man!  I don't want to be in the dark about scriptural things.

Quote (kerwin @ July 09 2011,15:07)Mike,I agree God's seat of power is in the highest heaven but that does not meant it contains him.Does God require agents to rule his kingdom?Well, there's a big problem out of the way then!  The fact that God CHOOSES to dwell in “heaven” is not to say that God CAN'T go anywhere else, or that He is “contained”…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ July 09 2011,15:02)Don't ask stupid questions and you will get an answer?Translation: Don't ask questions that Istari can't answer and you will get an answer. The reason for the Q and A agreement is because for over a year, I've been showing you scriptural truth and asking you DIRECT questions about this scripture or that…[Read more]

Hey Jack, Instead of starting yet another thread, why didn't you just address this question in the “Bizzaro” thread?To All, How about this equation:The son of the ORIGINAL and ONLY EXISTING “Adam” was AN adam, but not THE Adam who brought him forth.The son of the ORIGINAL and ONLY EXISTING God Almighty is A god, but not THE God who brought him…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 08 2011,10:03)TO ALL,On another thread some months ago WJ and I tried desperately to give Mikeboll and t8 an elementary lesson in nature and identity. It is unfortunate that some people who consider themselves students of the scripture cannot understand the elementary things.I will vouch for Jack on this one. It is…[Read more]

This is nothing but more desparate pleas for attention while STILL refusing to accept my challenge for a simple Q and A discussion!  Poor Wizard indeed.  It seems that another more powerful wizard has turned him, not into a frog, but into a court jester!      

Quote (Istari @ July 09 2011,12:39)In this thread it was clear from the beginning that the emphasis was on SPIRITS IN HEAVEN – Angels…Yet, because there was NO EVIDENCE AVAILABLE, Mikeboll brought the ONLY VERSE HE COULD FIND that APPEARED TO SUPPORT ANYTHING OF HIS THOUGHT…………Did you mean to say, “No evidence ASIDE FROM the MANY…[Read more]