Pierre,I'm glad that I read your response before I posted the same thing.  Gene, there is the “spirit” that comes from God and animates all living things and goes back to God when we die.  Yes, there IS that kind of spirit.But there are also “spirits” who ARE angels and demons.  In this case it means “a spirit BEING”.  So an angel is a com…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ July 14 2011,17:20)I will try to have the data collected in the next day or two and maybe we can come to some better understanding.I have an idea for a better use of your time, Paladin. Instead of spending hours trying once again to show me as deceitful, (which didn't work out so well for you the first time), how about you just…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ July 14 2011,18:28)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 14 2011,11:43)Quote (942767 @ July 13 2011,08:38)He had this glory by “faith” to be manifest in God's timing,So your understanding is that God had FOREORDAINED a glory for Jesus before the world was even created?  And 17:5 represents Jesus asking for that glory, (which he knew about…[Read more]

I see a lot of talk from Jack and Keith, but not too many points being addressed.  Jack, when did you stop understanding the simple title “Son OF God”?Jack, are you and I the SAME EXACT BEING?Keith, do you know that scripture says Saul SAVED Israel from the Philistines?  Is Saul also God because of the words of Hosea 13:4?Isaiah 19:20It will be a…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 14 2011,11:12)For the record, Mikeboll, you are just a friend and I only like you as a friend even though sometimes I want to steal your bandana Now Mike, I know you know this and our PM's can prove this out.Yes Kathi,I am well aware that you love your husband of many years and like to refer to him as your “hot b…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 14 2011,10:54)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 13 2011,21:27)Jesus is not any percent “man” anymore.Prove it scripturally! That is another heresy the JW’s teach. If Jesus is not still a man then how can he still be the Mediator and High Priest of salvation to all men? You are calling Paul a liar when he said…For he has set…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 14 2011,10:47)So now tell us Mike, what species does the “Only Begotten Son of God” belong too?The “spirit being” species.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 14 2011,10:47)Jesus nature is identical to the Fathers unlike the Angels or other so-called gods. Why?  What scripture tells you this?  Why would you assume that…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 13 2011,23:12)They both rule over the cattle, etc. because of their common nature, not because of their name…get it??Good! Now, what exactly is the “nature” of God Almighty? He is a Spirit Being, right? So Jesus, His Son, is a DIFFERENT spirit being that shares a nature with his Father.Just as Seth was a DIFFERENT…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 14 2011,09:12)I was ask by another poster here to report you to T8 for misrepresenting what i Said and if i did report your LIE , i wounder what would really happen to you. As i have said Mike you simply are a Hypocrite, because you try to hold others to a standard you yourself don't live by. IMO and others also i might…[Read more]

Hi Kerwin,Scripture never says Adam and Eve SAW the face of God.  It says they HID from His face.About the “presence” thought, who really knows? I can't imagine a “presence” walking though. This subject kind of popped up unexpectedly. I can easily explain how I've understood it each time I read it – but I haven't really looked into any other…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ July 14 2011,17:20)I will try to have the data collected in the next day or two and maybe we can come to some better understanding.In the meantime, chill out.I can't wait Paladin.  And in the mean time, I will treat others exactly as they treat me.You do realize that you have now ACCUSED me of wrongdoing for the SECOND time on…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 14 2011,09:12)MIke………Now show me where i ever said Paladin was “WRONG” so now who is being Dishonest Here You or ME?Oh, you've learned from Paladin? Do I now have to quote you verbatim too? What you said was that you KNEW Paladin was in trouble with the imperfect tense of “echo”. And coming immediately after…[Read more]

Hi Gene,For every ONE person who blames ME for Istari's bad behavior and the resulting consequences, there are least THREE people patting me on the back.He posted the warning I gave him, right?  Did you read it Gene?  Istari knows that posting lies about others is against the rules.  I warned him about it before – multiple times on this very th…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 13 2011,15:13)“But I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt. “You shall acknowledge no God ('elohiym) but me, no Savior except me”. Hosea 13:4Hi Keith,Your last post is exactly the reason I halted all of our debates and discussions.  Keith, your arguments are much like if I said, “I like Kathi”, and you…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 13 2011,12:00)You cannot separate identity from nature. You can only create individuality within that identity of nature.You have not refuted us.Jack,You and I share the same nature as HUMAN BEINGS.  But you and I are not the SAME being. Notice the “S” at the end of the word “BEINGS”. You AND I could not be referred…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 13 2011,10:39)Bump for t8 and Mike who ignored this post and the points Jack and I made.What points?  I laughed Jack's post off as just Jack being Jack.  Since when did the Hebrew language capitalize the “A” in “Adam”?  If you two are not…………….let’s say, “adept” enough to know that Moses meant “Mankind…[Read more]

 Feel free to rewrite the scriptures any way you see fit, Kathi!   Who did your Lord say we were to worship and serve as God?

Quote (Lightenup @ July 13 2011,19:05)MIke,you said:Quote The former sounds like God is “restrained” to heaven and couldn't leave if He wanted to.  But we know that God Himself walked in the Garden of Eden looking for Adam.So He apparently came to Earth at least once in scripture.That was God as the Son who walked in the Garden of Eden.   No man h…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 13 2011,08:07)Fact is i knew all along Paladin was heading into trouble with You about this “echo” thing. So you KNEW all along that Paladin's claim about the imperfect tense of “echo” prohibiting Jesus from speaking of a past glory was WRONG?    You KNEW his claim was wrong the whole time I was pulling out my hair t…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ July 13 2011,08:38)He had this glory by “faith” to be manifest in God's timing,So your understanding is that God had FOREORDAINED a glory for Jesus before the world was even created?  And 17:5 represents Jesus asking for that glory, (which he knew about through faith), to be manifested upon him?Is that correct Marty?