Hi Gene,I got the feeling you were avoiding this thread because you didn't want to answer this question:Gene, what are the bodies of angels made of?Will you answer it now?Thanks,mike

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ July 24 2011,05:08)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 24 2011,02:00)Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ July 22 2011,20:07)Keith,In April 2010 Mike said that Jesus' being begotten means that He is distinguished from angels and mankind.See page 11 of this thread. In a post I copied and pasted the link where Mike said that Jesus is…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 23 2011,21:10)See how you are wrong in your view yet?Kathi, who was the firstborn of all human beings?  Would you consider it to be Adam, Eve, or Cain?  No matter which one you consider to be “the firstborn of all mankind”, I'm sure you would be smart enough to know that “all mankind” refers to the GROUP that one was a M…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 23 2011,12:17)Bump for all the “anti-Jesus is God and Savior” crowd.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 27 2011,13:13)Can you show me where the scriptures teach there is more than “ONE Savior”? Did the Apostles ever say “OUR Saviors”?WJWell is there more than “One Savior” mentioned in the NT scriptures?WJWell, the Father…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 21 2011,23:42)It seems that Jesus walks in accordance to the Father's will and asks the Father for things in accordance to His (Jesus') will.“My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”This time, Jesus' will did not align with the will of his God.  So, whose will was…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 23 2011,18:56)Just some reasons why your argument wouldn't hold water and mine would.Ahhh…………the “Exception for Jesus” rule that I asked you NOT to use! Kathi, we are also said to be ONE with the Father. If you don't think that means WE will be God, then don't ever use the “I and the Father are one” scripture to…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 23 2011,08:58)Try to lay down your understanding Mike, it is weakening you.Are you kidding me?  You list a bunch of scriptures that clearly DISTINGUISH Jesus as someone OTHER THAN our God, and illogically try to say they mean Jesus and the Father together make up our God!  You are on Jack's level now, Kathi.  Do you th…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 22 2011,21:15)When you see 'firstborn of…' you ask firstborn of WHAT?  The word following the OF would tell you who or what produced the offspring.See here, look after the words 'firstborn of' and that will tell you who brought the firstborn forth:Numbers 3:45“Take the Levites in place of all the firstborn of Is…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 22 2011,14:19)Now please explain what you think “begotten (monogenes)” means?That God caused the existence of His Son directly. Unlike all other things that were created by God through His first creation, Jesus was created by God personally and first.

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 22 2011,09:17)As you know Mikes claim that Jesus is an “angel” of God is straight out of the heretical playbook of the JW’s.Usually, if I end up with the same understanding the JW's have, it's a GOOD THING.  Because those guys are sharp and follow the scriptures as closely as is humanly possible – (although there…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ July 22 2011,13:48)He told you to be patient that he was going through some problems with his radiation treatments if I remember correctly.And which time were you LYING, Marty?  The time when you said Paladin HAD already answered my question?  Or now, when you're making excuses for the fact he HASN'T yet answered the q…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ July 22 2011,18:16)No Irene, I meant me having to post over and over to Mike.Wm,You didn't HAVE TO post over and over.  You could have just answered the question directly the first time I asked it.  What your evidence showed is how, just like with Paladin, I had to jump through many hoops to get a direct answer out of you.  …[Read more]

Thanks Kerwin. Let me know if something comes to you.

Quote (seekingtruth @ July 21 2011,21:25)I agree there must be a common theme within the subjects to establish increasing prominence.Good, because that IS the case.Quote (seekingtruth @ July 21 2011,21:25)But one more point, for the statement to mean anything, the person the statement is made to, also must be part of the same theme.Not true.…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 05 2011,14:55)“But I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt. “You shall acknowledge no God ('elohiym) but me, no Savior except me”. Hosea 13:4Hi Keith,Nehemiah 9:27Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their enemies, who vexed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they cried unto thee,…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 20 2011,22:42)Mike,I am pointing to a mystery in these scriptures. That mystery being how can someone be pressence to pressence with God and yet not see his pressence whether that someone is Adam, Eve, or Mosses.Let me know when you solve this mystery. Quote Mike Boll,Good point! As for the how, How did he create the…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ July 21 2011,18:47)I referenced my issue with Mike (the cause of the long post) as an example of having to post over and over, and as of yet, to no avail.Hi Wm,I'm still waiting to see this “example” of me making you post “over and over”. If and when you show me this “example”, then I assure you that it will be to some…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 21 2011,16:14)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 21 2011,12:08)Yes Ed,That is just one of the THOUSANDS of them.  Thanks for your input.  Thousands? Sure. Hey, aren't you supposed to be getting to the bottom of things with Paladin?

Quote (942767 @ July 21 2011,11:35)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 21 2011,13:04)Hey Marty, Gene, Kerwin and Paladin,I was lead to this scripture a couple of nights ago, but didn't act on the “unction” or whatever until now:Hebrews 1:3 NIV © The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his po…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ July 21 2011,08:56)Mike!  I do see what you mean.  But again I am getting really tired of all these accusations.  What I want most is peace in my life.  I also realize that HN is not the place to get it.  So I am still going to come here, but hopefully I will not get into any lengthy controversy with anyone.  One day soon, I hope,…[Read more]