Quote (Lightenup @ July 24 2011,19:18)In the case of Cain, his father and mother were all mankind at the time.Ah, but many years later, I could STILL call Cain the “firstborn of all mankind”, and you would understand that “all mankind who ever existed up until this point” did not give birth to Cain.  You would easily understand my statement to…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 24 2011,18:51)All things are done by the word of God. The agents he chooses to carry out that word, if any but himself, are known to him and those he chooses to reveal that information to.Hi Kerwin,I see it as the very fact God DOES use agents tells us He Himself is not everywhere all the time.But the bottom line is that I…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 24 2011,19:30)So your point is that the scriptures that speak of angels eating and being touch appear to disagree with the one that states flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.I believe it is shortsightedness on your part that leads you to believe that only flesh can eat or be touched.1 Cor 1544 it is sown a…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 24 2011,19:16)The angels passed test one by eating.  The angels passed test two by touching Lot and therefore being touched by Lot.But I can touch a garbage disposal and it's not made of flesh.  It can also consume the food stuffs I put down it's throat.  I think that's a very thin amount of “proof” to conclude that angels ar…[Read more]

Shimmer, Where is the “spirit of Jezebel” mentioned as an entity in the scriptures?Also, are you aware of the two different “spirits” we've been discussing here?  One kind is like our own spirits, which are not entities in and of themselves.The other is “spirit BEINGS”, such as God, Jesus, angels, demons, and those of us who are raised to a life…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 24 2011,14:47)When will Mike learn that he is not good enough for the big leagues?  When will Mike stop acting like a novice and study before he spouts off assertions?Says the man who has a bunch of questions he cannot answer piling up!    I'm especially anxious for your answer about Nehemiah 9:27 and Isaiah 19…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 24 2011,14:34)Do you think that glorifies the true God Jehovah who is God of gods and Lord of lords?  Rudeness doesn't bring Him glory, Pierre.You mean it doesn't bring THEM any honor, right Kathi?  At least have the courage to defend your own beliefs in your everyday language.  

Quote (Lightenup @ July 24 2011,14:11)The God of gods, the Father is not called the firstborn of all creation and would not make sense if He were.Why wouldn't it make sense, Kathi?  If “firstborn OVER creation” means “preeminent over creation”, then why wouldn't it make sense for God to have this title?Layer by layer, just like an onion, Kathi.  

Quote (Lightenup @ July 24 2011,14:11)Mike, see your first question, “Who was the firstborn of all human beings?”  That implies that human beings brought forth an offspring.  That was Able.You left out a word, Kathi.  “That implies that ALL human beings brought forth an offspring” named Cain, not Abel.  (Cain was the firstborn of ALL mankind.  Bu…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 24 2011,17:39)Mike,Flesh and bone since scripture attests they both eat and can be touched. It even tells us mana which can be eaten by human beings is the food of angels.Hi Kerwin,Flesh cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. Do you suppose that angels cannot inherit God's Kingdom? Also, what scripture tells of angels eating…[Read more]

Hi Ed,I asked you a direct question.  Please answer it.  Do you also have to add the word “IN” into 1:14? (And I already told you my spirit is not “me”. It is the spirit OF Mike, and I know how to understand the word “OF”.)

Jesus was said to have been the firstborn from the dead Ed.

Quote (Ed J @ July 24 2011,13:09)is what became flesh (inside Jesus) and dwelled among men.This is as good a place to start as any, I suppose:So if the SPIRIT was inside of the FLESH being of Jesus of Nazareth, did the SPIRIT itself BECOME flesh? Or, like in Gene's altered scenario, does your scenario also insist that you add the word “IN” into…[Read more]

Hi Irene and Pierre,The title Jesus was to have was “Jehovah is our Righteousness”. Jack is trying to say this means Jesus's actual name is “Jehovah”. But Jack failed to mention that the nation of Judah was also called by that same exact name in Jer 33:16, and it surely wasn't Jehovah.

Jesus was also a prophet Ed.  He said so himself.Also, there are to be more prophets coming, according to Revelation.

Ed sometimes forgets what the word “of” means.  As in “Spirit OF God”, etc.  It seems to be a common occurance with people who promote unscriptural doctrines.  For example the Trinitarians can't seem to understand Son OF God or Servant OF God.  Now in Ed's case, he seems to think the Word of God is the Spirit of God.  And that this Spirit, who…[Read more]

I don't know Ed. What do YOU think?Some people like Tim take that scripture to mean the OT is now useless and should be discarded. I don't. Scripture cannot be broken, nor will the least penstroke of it disappear until the end of this age.mike

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 24 2011,11:34)MIke……….That was not my point at all, I Know a Satan (adversarial Spirit) exists i never said it did not exists. The is you assumption i am say a Satan does not exist, You believe he exists as some Physical being of some kind i don't.  And by the way Mike I ask you a simple question first. Is he a…[Read more]

No Ed,I do not. Just like with the word “pneuma”, there are many definitions and uses of “logos”. Which is why I asked you if the word of God was in John the Baptist. Because it obviously was, but John was not the Word who BECAME flesh, was he? He was not said to have the glory of an only begotten from the Father, was he? It was not John's…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 24 2011,11:40)Mike…….. becasue the LOGOS of Man (human reasoning) is of the World, and the LOGOS of GOD in from GOD, two separate reasonings, one from the world, and one from GOD. That is why he used the word LOGOS there. It still is referencing the Reasonings behind the WORD not the Words them selves. GET IT?peace…[Read more]