Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 05 2011,14:55)“But I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt. “You shall acknowledge no God ('elohiym) but me, no Savior except me”. Hosea 13:4Hi Keith, Jack and Kathi:Nehemiah 9:27Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their enemies, who vexed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 25 2011,21:21)If the statements contain the word 'of' then the parents of Jesus would be ALL creation and that's a lot of parents.Also, the dead would make a lot of parents, too.”Of” is not the right choice.Kathi,Exactly how many times DOES the NETBible translate “ek” as “of”?And my question wasn't which translation of “ek”…[Read more]

Gene,I have answered this many, many times.  Jesus is the Word of God because he is the spokesman of God.  And YES, I have seen many flesh spokesmen.  But NO, I have never seen a SPOKEN word of someone become flesh.  (Nor did I actually SEE Jesus become flesh.  )I've also explained to you the errors of changing the words of scripture just beca…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 24 2011,21:44)Do you think the Son had no choice but to do the will of the Father?I want to know of a scripture where Jesus ALLOWED his Father's will to be done.  As if JESUS had the FINAL say in the matter, and chose to let his Father do something.Quote (Lightenup @ July 24 2011,21:44)“I will ask the Father, and He will…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 24 2011,21:31)I have already been through this with you.  A compound unity is expressed with singular pronouns and therefore, that would also mean that a compound unity is expressed in singular nouns.Really?Quote (Lightenup @ July 24 2011,21:31)The American Army is made up of countless soldiers but they, collectively as a…[Read more]

Yes Irene,I've never said anything different than that. God created all things THROUGH His firstborn and only begotten Son.peace,mike

Quote (terraricca @ July 25 2011,14:47)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 26 2011,14:44)Terricca……….Shimmer was talking about the Spirit of Jezebel, not the physical Person of Jezebel . Think about it Pierre. If you understood that a Spirit of the same thing can exist in anyone at the same time, you could see this , The spirit of Jezebel was the…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ July 24 2011,22:57)Wow Mike you just completely missed my point, I see what someone means.Hi Shimmer,Perhaps you are confusing the words “missed” and “ignored”. I don't buy into your “Spirit of Jezebel” internet sensation. I'm sorry, but I don't usually care to discuss matters of an unscriptural nature on this forum.Did you ask…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 25 2011,10:31)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 25 2011,11:10) Hi Ed, I asked you a direct question.  Please answer it.  Do you also have to add the word “IN” into 1:14?Hi Mike, 1) John 1:14 And “The Word”(HolySpirit) was made flesh, and dwelt among us (Matt. 1:23), (and we beheld his(HolySpirit's) glory, the glory as of the only b…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 25 2011,13:01)Pierre,John 17:21…that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in usJesus wants us to be a unity in them not as them.  When we are in Christ, we are not also Christ.  When we are in them, we are not also them.  We are not just “in” the Father but “in” THEM.So ye…[Read more]

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Quote (Lightenup @ July 24 2011,22:24)Quote (Lightenup @ July 23 2011,22:19)Mike,Quote Kathi, we are also said to be ONE with the Father.Where?Mike,Did you answer this and I missed it or did you not answer this yet?KathiJohn 17

Quote (Lightenup @ July 25 2011,11:39)Mike,That would be the reason to know that the word 'of' is not the correct translation.  See the NET Bible on Col 1 and Rev. 1:5, it does not use the word 'of' in any firstborn mention.  All creation is not Jesus' Father and neither is the 'dead.'That is correct, Kathi.And I read what NETNotes said about C…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ July 25 2011,02:57)Christ must be human to be “Firstborn” for the firstborn is the same as the group of which it is the firstborn. The firstborn of cows is a cow. The firstborn of lambs is a lamb.Therefore, the term “Firstborn” in reference to Christ says absolutely nothing about His origin prior to his becoming human.We…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 05 2011,14:55)“But I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt. “You shall acknowledge no God ('elohiym) but me, no Savior except me”. Hosea 13:4Hi Keith, Jack and Kathi:Nehemiah 9:27Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their enemies, who vexed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 24 2011,14:28)Nevertheless, the Son does express His will to the Father and the Father allows it.  The Father does express His will to the Son and the Son allows it.  Perfect UNITY!What scripture tells you the Son “allowed” his Father's will to be done?  Quote (Lightenup @ July 24 2011,14:28)They both submit to each ot…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 24 2011,14:13)Both the Father and the Son are the one savior, Kathi, I don't understand your English here.  Could you try again?  Hint:  When intelligent people speak of TWO persons in English, they use a PLURAL word to describe them, such as “saviors”.  For example:  Mike and Kathi are MEMBERS of HN.  Not:  Mike and Kathi…[Read more]

Revelation 1:5 NASB © and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood—NRSV © and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and fre…[Read more]

God is the Father of Jesus, Ed. Are you about to make a point here?

Quote (kerwin @ July 24 2011,19:49)Mike Boll,I simply believe that when Jesus stated that a spirit did not have flesh and bone and then proceeded to challenge his students to touch him and feed him he was proving he was flesh and bone and therefore not a spirit.  Do you understand the following passage from Luke differently?Hi Kerwin,Now I get…[Read more]