Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 31 2011,08:08)Mike………..See i knew you would get around to change  what scripture says , My bible say LIFE and Now you come up with “IT ACTUALLY SAY SOUL”. Well Gene,Let's discuss a couple of problems your understanding has:1.  Luke 14:26 speaks of hating your mother, etc.  It says NOTHING about hating “the life yo…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 31 2011,08:40)Mike……..You are asking me what their Bodies are made of I do not KnowThen HOW do you know their bodies are not made of spirit, just like the rest of their being?  Does not a drop of water have a body made of the same substance as the rest of it?Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 31 2011,08:40)Mike you lack…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 31 2011,06:45)Our difference of opinion is who the agent was who carried out God’s Wisdom during the old creation.  You believe Jesus took part and I do not.Hebrews 1But in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son………….through whom he made the universe.John 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Go…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 30 2011,17:49)Hi Mike, You actually started the idea.You did the same thing in …MikeBoll64 VS. 'The Phantom'!Mentioning others names should be considered a personal invite!What? It's not MY fault that Martian never responds in our debate, is it? I agree with your second statement. Thanks for…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 30 2011,16:06)If that happens then it can be reported to a moderator as always, and if the moderator agrees the post can be deleted or the moderator can ask for the one who posted it to rescind their points that are misleading.It is simple.Really Keith?  Then  YOU should try being a mod for a while and see for y…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 30 2011,15:23)MikeYou can't even create a poll in the right thread and then you put on like you know how to moderate a thread. WJ  Look again Keith.  One can create a poll in any category.  And this is the category t8 suggested for ironing out this discrepancy.  We ARE voting on the politics of the believer's sec…[Read more]

Judging from the responses to this thread, I wonder if ANYBODY actually saw the thread that was deleted.    It was gone before I logged on that day………….and it seems this is the same story for most of us here.  Poor Jack – he “took the hit” by making a thread that no one even saw!      And even though I never saw the thread, I someh…[Read more]

Amen Irene!  Gene, if you're going to slam ME, then slam ME ONLY!I've learned way much more FROM Irene and Pierre on this forum than they've learned from me.  Could it be that it bothers you that all three of us come to mostly the same conclusions on ANY scriptural issue?  Believe me, none of us are following another of us.  We are all just sim…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 30 2011,13:42)But we didn’t invent the phrase “so-called gods” for 100s of experts in Biblical Hebrew and Greek did……So then you ADMIT those phrases WERE invented by men, and not actually IN the scriptures themselves, right? Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 30 2011,13:42)And rightfully so because according to conte…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 30 2011,08:47)MIke……..What do you think the word His life (ALSO) Means ,Actually Gene,The scripture says “even his own soul”. What have you to say now?mike

Keith,The word was MISTAKENLY rendered as “possessed” in some older translations. The word is actually CREATED. Read the NETNotes on the subject.

Quote (942767 @ July 28 2011,11:21)Hi Mike:And so, the scripture states that Jesus is the “firstborn of every creature”.  How does that translate to your understanding that “he is the first creature created by God”?I don't think this phrase is all that hard to understand…………..UNLESS you already have an agenda you're trying to maintain.…[Read more]

Quote (Pastry @ July 28 2011,07:44)Kerwin! Where is wisdom a craftsman and was beside God?Or rather, HOW was “wisdom” a craftsMAN at God's side?

And for Jack I have two points:1.  We've been all over this “pasa ktisis” thing, right?  So when Paul said the gospel had been preached (past tense) to “every creature”, do you think Paul had by that time come to America and preached to the indigenous peoples here?  Had he been to China?  Or Australia?It is clear to see that “all creation” in thi…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 29 2011,19:48)The point I was addressing is the Hebrew word “qanah” in Scripture which is translated to “possessed” in the KJV and “brought me forth” in the NIV.Kerwin,Read the NETNotes info I posted on page 107, first post. Read the green type Kerwin. It explains why the older translations have “possessed” when it is…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 26 2011,20:45)Mike,I was using the test to prove angels are not spirit beings.Hi Kerwin,Hebrews 1:14Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?Despite Gene's stubborness, there is no way to twist the words in this verse to say “angels HAVE minstering spirits”.  Angels ARE spirit…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 29 2011,08:21)Terricca…………..I never left square one , because “Square One” it the correct understanding , I don't add all kinds of false assumption as Mike and you do by saying Spirits are BODIES , SPIRITS ARE WHAT IS (IN) BODIES , NOT BODIES THEMSELVES that is “SQUARE ONE” and doesn't change not natter what…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ July 29 2011,08:45)Jesus said that if He had asked His Father for legions of angels to deliver Him His Father would have given it.Does God Almighty have to ask his own God for help, Jack?

Quote (Ed J @ July 29 2011,00:42)Hi Mike,FALSE! …you're trying to connect two different ideas together.Other saviors does not mean other gods; THAT WAS MY POINT!I know Moses was one and Gideon was another savior to Israel.Not FALSE at all, Ed.If Hosea speaks of God being the ONLY Savior AND the ONLY God, and you KNOW that God is not the ONLY…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ July 29 2011,00:05)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 28 2011,22:19)Quote (Lightenup @ July 27 2011,22:48)BTW, that Hebrew word for Lord, the first Lord in 'Lord of lords,' is Adonay.  The word used ONLY for our deity Lord.You are mistaken, Kathi.  Ask Jack.  He quoted Barnes or someone who made the same claim you did, and I showed him TW…[Read more]