Quote (princess @ Aug. 05 2011,23:51)Irene,To ask KJ, the cannon states that Jesus is God, surely you do not find it impossible for one to interpret the cannon this way.Hi Princess,There is nothing in the canon to suggest what Jack or Kathi or Keith believe.  That is why it is so amazing to some of us.Jesus was begotten BY his God.  (Psalm 2:7, J…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 05 2011,13:03)Two Jehovah's are working in Genesis 19:24And that sums it up, Jack.  You truly believe you have TWO “Jehovahs”, and therefore TWO God Almighties.In fact, Trinitarians believe we have THREE God Almighties.  They just confusingly try to fit these THREE Gods into a monotheistic religion.Psalm 110:1 Jehovah s…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 06 2011,08:18)Jehovah is both God and Lord, Irene.Psalm 110:1 Jehovah says to my Lord:   “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies   a footstool for your feet.”Kathi, if Jesus is a part of "Jehovah", then who is the "Lord" to whom JEHOVAH said, "Sit at my right hand………."?David understood that Jesus, who is al…[Read more]

Quote (ftk @ Aug. 05 2011,04:11)Mike: Sorry I thought the thread was, “Is God Almighty One? Two? Or three?”!  That's different from, ” Is Jesus God”!Hi Tim,Read the OP of the thread, please.  In John 8:25, Jesus is asked, “Who are you?”  He replies, “Exactly who I've been claiming to be all along”.So, we have started by listing a couple of sc…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 05 2011,08:21)Mike …> I sure can grasp it, they (the apostles) were as ignorant as your are about this subject. And just like that………….BAM!……………there it is!  Now it's not only ME who is stupid, but also the Apostles that Jesus hand picked.  The ones he called “those you have given me out of this w…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 05 2011,09:17)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 02 2011,13:04)Well, at least they would be safer there Pierre.  They wouldn't have to put up with you and Irene and t8 and me constantly blasting that comically flawed, man-made doctrine to shreds.  Mike tears his own theology to shreds by speaking out of two sides of his mouth. J…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Aug. 05 2011,11:48)Paladin is correct that the title “firstborn” may be applied to one who is chronologically not the first.And my friend Kathi had a brilliant thought about this a while back:  The DEFAULT meaning of “firstborn” is always “the one born first”.  Any time in the scriptures that the DEFAULT meaning is NOT the o…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 04 2011,22:46)Since this is how the conversation stands I do not see how coing through the scripture line for line is beneficial for understanding who Jesus is at least until we have resolved the groundwork I mention above.You don't have to know right now, Kerwin. I know the outcome. And if you would do it, then your own…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 03 2011,23:42)Anyway, you have not proven that #136 does not apply to deity.What about Barnes, Wesley, and COMMON SENSE in Isaiah?  Was God requesting the watchman to let HIM know when someone approached?Also, you forgot this question (among others ):Kathi, which “nature” of Jesus was the savior of all mankind?

Quote (ftk @ Aug. 04 2011,04:57)Mike: Oh how you love to play with words to make a point.I'm sorry Tim………………….was there a direct quote of Jesus from the first 8 chapters of John where you think Jesus taught us that he was God Almighty Himself?Because THAT'S what this thread is about. And THAT'S what I'm waiting…[Read more]

Not at all, Princess.I've explained how I personally feel in my last post to you. And I think t8 explained things perfectly in his post. Both genders were equally redeemed through Jesus, and both genders are equally acceptable for an eternal life in heaven or on the new earth.peace,mike

Hi Pierre,WHAT? I have no clue what you are saying, or what you want to teach me with those scriptures.peace,mike

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 04 2011,22:26)Mike,you said:Quote But he left the earth as flesh and blood, and we know those things cannot inherit God's Kingdom.Flesh and bones, not flesh and blood.  His blood was poured out at Calvary.Luke 24:39Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 04 2011,09:00)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 04 2011,12:03)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 03 2011,08:22)Mike……..You still don't understand that you are running two different thing together two separate subjects. One the Person, the other the Persons Life they live.Great Gene.Now all you need is a scripture where Jesus…[Read more]

Hi All,Have you guys met our new member, Chihuahua Jack?You know how those Chihuahuas are, right?  You walk into their yard and they start barking.  They are so small you could drop-kick them through a football goal.  But they aren't really worth the bother.If ever you just approach them head on, they go whimpering and running away.  But as soo…[Read more]

I don't know, Kathi. There sure are a lot of scholars, including Young, who have that “IT” in their translations.And I STILL don't see where you are finding the “HER” in your translation.”present to Himself the church in all her glory”Where are you seeing this “her” in the Greek words?

Quote (Pastry @ Aug. 04 2011,07:43)Mike!  T here is no Scripture that says that Jesus was resurrected as a man first, and then became a Spirit Being.Yes Irene, there is.  You just won't accept it.Luke 24:39Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”Irene, either Jes…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 04 2011,09:42)Hi Mike:Please show me where Jesus was changed from being a man to something else.Marty,Scripture doesn't record the transformation Jesus underwent as he ascended into heaven.  But he left the earth as flesh and blood, and we know those things cannot inherit God's Kingdom.Read Phil 3:20-22 Marty.  Paul also h…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 04 2011,11:29)…………Paul says they were not to recieve the gospel that is preached by an angel!Hi Keith,Another year older but still just as ignorant.    I've already explained this to you in one of my many posts you've been ignoring lately.Paul does NOT say they were not to receive gospel from an angel.  He sa…[Read more]

Hi Pierre,OR……………………..the angel remained a spirit being in a spirit body the whole time, and God at first opened only the donkey's eyes to see him. After that, God also opened Balaam's eyes to see this spirit being in his spirit body.Consider Elisha and his servant. Elisha could see the spirit chariots and horses the whole time.…[Read more]