Hi Kathi,Did you forget how many times Jesus said the words “IT IS WRITTEN……………” as an answer?  He said it three times to Satan, didn't he?  And countless other times throughout his teachings.That is also what I try to do.  For example, I say “IT IS WRITTEN that we are to worship Jehovah our God, and serve Him ONLY”.And then certain ot…[Read more]

Ed,The answer to both of your questions is “YES”.

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 07 2011,12:35)You have now detached saviors from gods, as YOU should!Now you are in a place to accept the truth of the matter Ed.If God is the ONLY savior, yet there are OTHER saviors, then God being the ONLY savior is emphatical, and NOT LITERAL.  On this we agree.So, in the very same scripture, using the very same wording,…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 07 2011,12:01)Do you see that those two ideas (saviors and gods), do not connect up together.No, I don't.What you are doing is playing with words, Ed. The question was whether or not God SENT OTHER saviors. Your answer was you playing a game. The CORRECT answer is “YES Mike, ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES THEMSELVES, God DID…[Read more]

Hi Ed,Was my previous post to you correct? YES or NO? Was it JESUS who had the glory as an only begotten from the Father? YES or NO?

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 06 2011,18:24)I do not see why Christ could not have been resurrected spiritual being,Luke 24:39Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”That's the reason, Pierre.  Jesus would not have lied to his disciples by saying he was NOT a spirit wh…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 06 2011,14:45)So now we are to disbelieve Jesus own word when He said Spirit do not have flesh and bone as he did and that was after his resurrection by the way.That is a good question for you to ask Kerwin, not me. I don't believe that spirits have flesh and bone bodies.What I want to know is why you think Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 06 2011,18:56)All of the worthless gibberish only goes to show those who have the Spiritual sense given them by God and those who do not have it . It also shows who is being taught by GOD and those who are not. Time will truly reveal who does and who does not have Spirit guidance (IN) them>  IMOTruer words have never…[Read more]

Welcome back, fellow true believer.

Welcome back, fellow true believer.

So then the SIMPLE and DIRECT answer to my question was, “Mike, it was JESUS who had the glory of an only begotten from the Father”, right?Is that correct?

Hi Pierre and Charles,Maybe this will help.  It is from NETNotes:Joh 3:133tc Most witnesses, including a few important ones (A Θ Ψ 050 Ë1,13 Ï latt syc,p,h), have at the end of this verse “the one who is in heaven” (ὁ ὢν ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ, Jo wn en tw ouranw). A few others have variations on this phrase, such as “who was in heaven” (e syc), or “the on…[Read more]

Hi Ed,I'm not sure if you misplaced a parenthesis or what. But you seem to be saying that it was the Father who had the glory of an only begotten FROM the Father. Is this correct?peace,mike

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 06 2011,18:40)Mike………..Why not tell us where it does? first if you can. Firstborn as explained very clearly to you by many in the bible can mean “first in position” , so why should you “assume” it mean firstborn as a sentinel beingOkay Gene,So, show me one instance in the scriptures where “firstborn” means “first…[Read more]

Quote (ftk @ Aug. 07 2011,04:09)Mike: I can see what you are saying and in a literal sense, must agree when restricted to the 8 chapters. So, its true you could have an 8 chapter doctrine to build and hang your hat on.Hi Tim,Funny stuff! The reason for the 8 chapters is explained in the OP of the thread. Because 8:25 says this:25 “Who are y…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Aug. 07 2011,05:21)once I have laid out my argument as best I can and an opponent is asking further questions, not to understand, but for ammunition to formulate a response, it has gone far enough.I disagree.  You can ask me as many questions in as many different ways as you would like to.  If my answers are giving you “…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 06 2011,19:55)Hi Mike,Do you believe there actually was a god who was “the god of Ekron”?Do you also believe that YHVH destroyed this god?Hi Ed,Jehovah has not destroyed the god of Ekron.  He lives still.  You know him by the name “Satan”.Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 06 2011,19:55)Do you then therefore also believe Jesus was a god (…[Read more]

Quote (princess @ Aug. 07 2011,06:54)due to all the responses you give towards one that believe in the trinity, you must understand what they are saying or there would be no need for you to respondHi Princess,You said to Irene:Quote Irene,To ask KJ, the cannon states that Jesus is God, surely you do not find it impossible for one to interpret the…[Read more]

Reminder for Kerwin and Ed J.

I'm sorry Gene.You have apparently missed the QUESTION part of my post. Let me repost the question for you:Now………………….where is the CONTEXT that tells us “firstborn” in the case of Jesus is NOT the DEFAULT meaning?Thanks for your DIRECT answer in advance, Gene.mike