Pretender, your “pagan religion” meme is not very good for your cause.  First of all, it makes a stronger argument for “firmament” than for “expanse”.

Secondly, even IF you want to use “expanse”, you still have to determine what the waters ABOVE THE EXPANSE are.  Remember, they are not IN the expanse… but ABOVE the expanse.

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Danny: @t8 @genebalthrop

Yes, God called the raqia heaven. But there are three heavens. (2 Corinthians 12:2)
I agree with Mike and Berean that the raqia is not the highest heaven.

Yes.  When God created the raqia and named it heaven, it was the ONLY heaven.  As time went by, God’s people started differentiating between place where the clouds are…[Read more]

Mike:  The alleged tilt brings the North Pole 3000 miles CLOSER to the sun at the very time the earth itself is 3,000,000 miles FARTHER from the sun… yet the tiny tilt is supposed to overcome the HUGE increase in distance from the heat source, and somehow make it WARMER? Only an idiot would believe such nonsense.

 

Pretender: Mike, stop pe…

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Great additional support, Berean!  Here’s some more…

Psalm 148 is broken into 2 parts The first part deals with heaven and the things associated with heaven…

1Hallelujah!

Praise the LORD from the heavens; praise Him in the highest places.

2Praise Him, all His angels; praise Him, all His heavenly hosts.

3Praise Him, O sun and moon; praise…[Read more]

Jodi: Yes, I can concede that is not how people speak or write when they are saying someone is the father of someone, but as said, Luke isn’t talking about just any father and son.

Who or what the person is talking about doesn’t matter, Jodi.  Let’s suppose for argument’s sake that Jesus was God’s literal firstborn son – higher than any being who…[Read more]

Jodi:  Mary became pregnant by the seed of Joseph where the Holy Spirit came upon her and the power of the Highest  Spirit overshadowed whereby Matthews words true.

I don’t understand.  Walk me through your idea, keeping in mind that Joseph didn’t sleep with Mary until after Jesus was born, and that the angel CLEARLY told Joseph that the child in…[Read more]

Jodi: Here is one,

Romans 15:12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.

In the OT in Isaiah 11:10 this word root/ sheresh figurately means, of people involving firmness or permanence.

Try this version…

New American Standard Bible
Again Isa…[Read more]

Jodi: <span style=”color: #ff0000;”>Hi Mike,</span>

<span style=”color: #ff0000;”>The fact of the matter is Luke 3:23 is saying that Jesus is the son of Joseph and Mathew makes it certain that we are to believe that he is a bio son of Joseph. Don’t lose sight of that.</span>

Hey Jodi.  Mary became pregnant with Jesus before Joseph ever tou…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  You forgot one other point, your God is in the raqia

No, God is not in the raqia.  Your diversion has been debunked by me at least 4 different times now.  Please either debunk my debunk, or stop claiming the thing that I already debunked.

We all realize that this is just your way of diverting attention away from your “cloud th…[Read more]

Gene:  Mike…..your drawing has nothing to what i believe or have ever said,  so that is a lie…

Boy, your buddy Tater is really teaching you all his bad habits, isn’t he?  Now YOU’RE accusing me of lying too?

Okay.  But let’s see if I really WAS lying to you.

1.  Scripture says God created the raqia to divide the waters above the raqia from t…[Read more]

A picture is worth a thousand words, but will it be worth an apology from Pretender?  He posted this yesterday…

His false accusations against me stem from the part underlined in red at the top.  He somehow has it in his mind that the statement from Eric Dubay that I posted for Berean either directly states or implies that the “scientific c…[Read more]

Proclaimer: Danny God called the raqia heaven and scripture is clear that God is in heaven. So you need to place God below the waters if you are sticking to your definition of raqia / dome. Please amend. If not,then you do not really believe this and you should be honest about that.

The graphic Danny posted explains clearly what the scriptures…[Read more]

Proclaimer: Which you are using as YOUR argument to convince berean. So take responsibility.

Yes, I clearly used a few paragraphs from Eric Dubay’s “200 Proofs Earth is Not a Spinning Ball”.

Proclaimer:  If not the scientific consensus, then who exactly is Eric and yourself trying to debunk in this 200 BS proofs?

This is a real question Mike. W…

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Mike:  That was my point, Gene.  The waters above the firmament are ABOVE the sun, moon, and stars.  

Berean:  Hi Mike,

Biblically that is correct.
AND clouds are BELOW THE SUN, MOON AND STARS…RIGHT?

Yes Berean… that is Biblically and scientifically correct.  The Bible doesn’t lie about the age of our world or the shape of it.  Real science…[Read more]

Jodi: The fact of the matter is Luke 3:23 is saying that Jesus is the son of Joseph and Mathew makes it certain that we are to believe that he is a bio son of Joseph.

How many times do we have to go through this?  Jodi, did Mary become pregnant by Joseph?  Yes or No please.

Jodi:  …wouldn’t people have just supposed that Joseph, being Mary’…

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Jodi: This was THE WORD that was made true in the flesh of Jesus of Nazareth…

You listed an Isaiah passage in which Yahweh prophesied about a coming PERSON, and then concluded that this PERSON was the word(s) that Yahweh spoke.  🤔

By the way, John doesn’t say the Word came to be “made true IN the flesh of Jesus”, Jodi.  He says the Word BE…[Read more]

Jodi: The bible doesn’t contradict, you just misinterpret.

You haven’t mentioned a single contradiction in my interpretation of scripture – and so I don’t know why you would even say such a thing.  Maybe expose one of my contradictions first, and then we can talk about who is misinterpreting what.

Thanks.

Jodi: As far as Jesus being the root of David,

Rev 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the of…

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Jodi: Hi Mike,

Luke 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being#stm5752 (as was supposed/Nomizo/to think) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,

Jesus was the son of Joseph just as people thought he was.

I conceded the “according to the flesh” argument because in each case, it doesn’t unequivocally mean what I…[Read more]

Jodi:  You say Mike a spirit entity needed to come down to earth and be MADE INTO FLESH to be our savior.

No.  Rather I say what the Bible says… that Jesus was existing in one form, emptied himself and was made into a different form.  I don’t use the word “needed”, but only repeat what the Bible teaches.

Jodi:  Jesus however says that he cou…

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