Quote (Tim2 @ May 31 2007,11:16)Martian,Please calm down.  I know you think the Definition of Chalcedon is irrational, but millions of Christians have believed it for 1500 years.  Please don't just dismiss us.  I've enjoyed talking about this with you, and I hope you will continue to do so.I think it would help to understand the Definition of Ch…[Read more]

Quote (Tim2 @ May 31 2007,06:55)Hi Martian,No, Jesus is the only person with a dual nature.  The result is that Jesus is both exactly the same as the rest of humanity, and He is exactly the same as God.  This is what the dual nature means.  Will believers become like Him concerning His Godhead? No.  Will they become like Him concerning His man…[Read more]

I am thankful that you posted this. It goes a long way to proving my point about your process and why I refuse to deal with you according to scripture. You have proven what is easily discernable about those who support the Trinity. They are dishonest with scripture. You state -Well I really would like you to explain how a mere man created the…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 30 2007,10:24)Jesus emptied himself and came as a man.So he came in the flesh.What did he empty himself of?His privileges? His divine nature? His former glory and position?If he indeed swapped his divine nature for human nature, then he was truly 100% man (the Word became flesh) and he could have been tempted as a man and also…[Read more]

Quote (Tim2 @ May 30 2007,06:30)Hi Martian,It seems our positions come down to …1.  You:  the dual nature is illogical.2.  Me:  the dual nature is explicitly taught in Scripture (because Jesus is said to do things that are impossible for man:  laying the foundation of the earth, creating the heavens, all things being through Him, etc., and also…[Read more]

Quote (Tim2 @ May 29 2007,17:54)Hey Martian,You raise some good questions, but may I suggest that you are too hasty in your conclusions?  If Hebrews says that the Son laid the foundation of the earth, which I hope we'll agree is something that men cannot do, that He is the same (1:12), and that He was made like His brethren in all things (2:17),…[Read more]

Tim, When you have two different views on what scripture means it is always necessary to come to a mutual understanding and agreement on how both will interpret scripture. It is nearly impossible to get two people to do that. Even if they can agree it is common that one or the other will drop the principles as soon as they begin to prove their…[Read more]

Please allow me to post an article by a friend of mine. —Can An Immortal God Die?In this section we will investigate current and common ways in which Jesus is portrayed. As I go thru some of these quotes I would hope you would see the lack of reason or logic contained in their statements.On one of the web sites I researched I found this…[Read more]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ May 18 2007,09:52)Tim2 wrote:Quote I'm not an expert on this doctrine, as you can tell, but I do think it is a necessary consequence of His dual nature, which I fail to see how you can deny.Certainly, it's a necessary consequence of the dual nature doctrine, but the whole point of this thread – (see the first post) – is to…[Read more]

Tim,you continue to come up against the same impossibility instead of seeing the truth.No matter what metaphysical mystical way in which one tries to explain the dual nature you come up with a meaningless concept. Jesus cannot be temptable and non temptable at the same time. Jesus cannot be failable and non faliable at the same time. This is not…[Read more]

I have no doubt you will run off on a Greek thinking tangent with my last post. For that I am truly sorry.I am not impressed with your biblical knowledge. I can be impressed with your understanding of the plan for God and how your teachings help to promote that.

Worshippingjesus –As I came back on to paste this I noticed you were still at it. Still trying to deny the plan of God.I can see we are going to have to agree to disagree. I can now see why my friend left this site. I fear I have been caught up in the realms of Christian Greek Philosophy. I should have never started to play in that playground b…[Read more]

WorshippingJesusLet's assume for a moment that I am all wrong and you are right. I have a couple of questions for you.Do you agree that part of Jesus' mission on Earth was to be an example for mankind?Do you agree that it is part of God's plan for us to become like Jesus?If you say yes to these questions then answer m this.How does maing Jesus a…[Read more]

Worshippingjesus —I do not need any degree of any kind to understand functionality of doctrine.It is very very sad that with all your knowledge you cannot understand a simple truth.It makes no difference whatsoever what you believe you can prove through scripture if that conclussion is dysfunction within the plan of God. the doctrine of the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 15 2007,13:35)A Greek philosopher named Heraclitus first used the term Logos around 600 B.C. to designate the divine reason or plan which coordinates a changing universe. This word was well suited to John's purpose in John 1.”Where is IDEA and PLAN except as EXPRESSED IN SPEECH?You must be more accurate.You copied it…[Read more]

Quote (Tim2 @ May 15 2007,17:40)WhatisTrue wrote:Quote Numbers 23:19 says:God is not a man, that He should lie,     Nor a son of man, that He should repent.     Has He said, and will He not do?     Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?Read this verse very carefully, as there is more depth to it than a casual reading might yield.  It d…[Read more]

For worshippingjesusI think previously I accidently posted this in the wrong thread. So here it is.You ask -Do you have any degrees in Hebrew, Greek or Latin? What is your credentials?Response – in fact I have a degree in theology and 35 years of study of the word. I can also read a reference work. Do you have any degrees?Secondly – You better ign…[Read more]

For worshippingjesusYou ask -Do you have any degrees in Hebrew, Greek or Latin? What is your credentials?Response – in fact I have a degree in theology and 35 years of study of the word. I can also read a reference work. Do you have any degrees?Secondly – You better ignor all the apostles other then Paul because they had no degrees in Greek or Heb…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 15 2007,03:34)Quote I did not make a personal atack on you, but I will state again. Concerning your willingness to recieve truth when shown to you, your method of biblical interpretaion, and your adhearance to pagan practices instituted by constantine are wacked. Somebody please tell me what the definition of a…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 12 2007,15:16)Quote (martian @ May 12 2007,11:38)As has been stated before, by what authority do you or anyone else make the term “word” equal Jesus when over 300 other times in scripture the word means statement/speach/plan. You are reading your doctrine into the term instead of using proper principles of line upon line…[Read more]