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Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
There is one God and one Lord together as YHVH.
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
Well, your understanding of the term “Godhead” is not the same as mine. I use Godhead to mean those in the position of divine and supreme rule and authority over creation.
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
Does Father God have a mind of His own? Does He have a will of His own? Does He have emotions? Does He have wisdom? Does He have power? Does He exist? Does He have a personality? Does He have a soul? Does He have a spirit? Does He have a heavenly body? Does He have knowledge? Does He desire relationship?
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
I said:
They are two different beings and together they are the one God, YHVH in the fullest sense. YHVH is both, the Father and the Son, the God of gods AND the Lord of lords. One is seen in the OT and NT and one is unseen.
Then you responded with:
The flaw is your reasoning is that it introduces the broken teaching that Jesus is…
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
Gene, my question once again to you from July 23rd, please answer:
you said:
LU….JESUS IS A lord, (adoni) human ruler, not LORD (adonia) the almighty GOD, WHO IS THE “ONLY’ “TRUE” GOD,…
Gene, who in the OT is the Lord of the Sabbath?
Who in the OT is the Lord of all?
Can you answer those two questions?
Lightenup replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 9 years, 9 months ago
No response, from you? I assume that you understand that the Son must exist before He can be begotten?
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
you said:
LU….JESUS IS A lord, (adoni) human ruler, not LORD (adonia) the almighty GOD, WHO IS THE “ONLY’ “TRUE” GOD,…
Gene, who in the OT is the Lord of the Sabbath?
Who in the OT is the Lord of all?
Can you answer those two questions?
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
you said:
If you truly believe that James speaks the truth when he declares that God cannot be tempted then you also truly believe that God is not tempted even as we are and yet Scripture claims was.
Yes, I truly believe that God cannot be tempted, that is why YHVH, as the Lord of lords, had to “empty Himself” and agree to be made lower…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
Jael,
You are trying to divide the united Spirit of the LORD. Why would you do that? Do you not claim to have both the Father and the Son in you? Is the Father the only one that is “in” you?
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
you said:
Now the Lord is the Spirit. We will come to you.
He who remains in the teachings has both the Father and the Son.
Our fellowship is with the Father and His Son Jesus Christ.
Those who do not have the Spirit of Christ are nothing of his.
Those words are true. The Spirit is a unity of the Father and the Son! They each have…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
Hi Gene,
Do you believe that the Lord YHVH is the God of gods and the Lord of lords?
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
Hi Jael, we have both the Father and the Son in us. The Spirit of the Son intercedes for us to the Father. Romans 8
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
Hello Jael and welcome,
I understand your concerns about a three person Godhead. I understand a Father/Son/Holy Spirit Godhead although I consider it two persons and their united spirit (which is their “inner person” within them and extends from them with omnipresent potential). So that would be two persons and their united inner…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 9 years, 10 months ago
Hi there my friend,
I am going to assume that you understand the words that the Father spoke “Today I have begotten thee” refer to the day of the resurrection since you haven’t disputed this.
I also assume that you would agree that the begettal referred to in regards to that resurrection day, was a “work” of the Father. I think that is…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 9 years, 11 months ago
I will answer your question but first there is a question of mine to you that you need to answer. That question is this:
Can you see that, t8? This is NOT a piece of scripture that you can successfully use to show that there was a time when the Son did not exist.
It is in regards to the piece of scripture that you recently used as a support…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 9 years, 11 months ago
@t8 Bump
Interested in your reply, t8.
Lightenup replied to the topic Proclaimer vs Lightenup in the forum Debates 9 years, 11 months ago
T8, you said:
May I remind you that the Father can exist without a son
None of your arguments have proving that the Father DID exist without a Son. Even your scripture that you put in your post. I have given you a word picture to show how it is possible that the Father and Son eternally could have co-existed and still be truly Father and S…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic About in the forum Feedback, Suggestions, & Features 9 years, 11 months ago
Hi Keith,
Nice to hear that you and your wife are doing well and back home by your family. Thank you for the nice compliment towards the debate between t8 and myself. It may be about 4 years long but it has been months since I posted on there. That is a nice thing about a one on one conversation, it can be picked up on where we…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic About in the forum Feedback, Suggestions, & Features 9 years, 11 months ago
Hi Keith,
Nice to hear that you and your wife are doing well and back home by your family. Thank you for the nice compliment towards the debate between t8 and myself. It may be over 4 years long but it has been months since I posted on there. That is a nice thing about a one on one conversation, it can be picked up on where we…[Read more]
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