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Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
What do you believe qualified the Son to take away the sins of mankind?
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
You’re welcome! The word “Lord” is used towards Jesus in 3 different ways in the NT.
#1 as “sir”
#2 as “master/king”
#3 as the divine Lord.
Jesus, according to His flesh was made both Lord (#2) and Christ. David called Him Lord because He was his promised descendant to sit on the throne of David in the eternal kingdom.
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
you said:
The flaw here is that this just as broken as implying God can be tempted by evil as a being is either one kind of another not two kinds at one therefore Jesus is either 1) human as Scripture states, God, or a hybrid but not both the God kind and the human kind.
The eternal spirit of the Son indwells a flesh body which he…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
Revelation 17:14
“These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful.”
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
God in the fullest sense is a unity of two divine beings. One is not just divine but also became man. He cannot be limited by what is limited to someone who is just man or who is just God.
If He were just man, then His death couldn’t not take away the sins of another man according to scripture. If He was just God, He couldn’t…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
God in the fullest sense is a unity of two divine beings. One is not just divine but also man so He cannot be limited by what is limited to someone who is just man.
If He were just man, then His death couldn’t not take away the sins of another man according to scripture.
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
Hi Jael,
You asked:
Hi LU, can you (or anyone) explain to me what ‘a begotten God’ is?
In my understanding, GOD is one… ‘A begotten God’ would be ‘A’nother God.
In fact, what exactly does the name, title or term, ‘God’ mean?
A central truth of the gospel is that Jesus is the only begotten son of God. I believe that He really is the onl…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
Nick, you completely miss that the Son is truly a son and who was in the beginning with God the Father and was God with the Father. Together they are God of gods and Lord of lords. That One who is the Lord of lords who laid the foundation of the earth and spread out the heavens with His hands, is the same one who emptied Himself to become flesh,…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
Nick, true, the Son is not the Father, and my post doesn’t suggest that He is.
In Isaiah 8, the LORD of hosts who is the stone of stumbling is not the LORD who is speaking. He is someone other than the one who is speaking to Isaiah. The Father is not sent as the stone of stumbling, the Father is not the cornerstone of the spiritual…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
I don’t see anything from you except opinion. I have given you many scriptures that defend YHVH as two who are one, the Father and the Son. You don’t seem to have the faith to see that the Lord of lords who is with the God of gods as YHVH could become flesh, resist temptation, walk rightly, suffer and die and be resurrected (for you and…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
Peter identifies Jesus as the stone of stumbling written about in scripture. In the OT scripture referred to, the Lord God calls the Lord of Hosts the stone of stumbling. See that here:
1 Peter 2:4 regarding Jesus as a living stone.
4And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been rejected by men, but is choice and precious in…[Read more]
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Glad to know Miia, may God direct you to the truth and all of us as well.
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
Third time asking this with NO answer.
Please answer the questions I have been asking. Who is identified in the OT as the Lord of the Sabbath and the Lord of all?
Exodus 31:13 “You are to speak to the people of Israel and say, ‘Above all you shall keep my Sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your gene…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
Peter identifies Jesus as YHVH of hosts that Isaiah wrote about. The Father identifies Jesus as the YHVH that laid the foundation of the earth and that spread out the heavens with His hands.
You’re problem is not with me but with your lack of understanding these things.
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
Let’s put the term Godhead aside since we don’t agree on a definition. Obviously we understand things very differently.
I see YHVH defining Himself as the God of gods and the Lord of lords. I assume that you can also see that from this passage here:
Deut 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
Gene, the Sabbath is not a human. Jesus identified himself as the Lord of the Sabbath. I understand that there are human lords and they are different than the divine eternal Lord. Jesus IS the divine eternal Lord and is over any created type of Lord and over all creation. The Sabbath is His creation.
The Jews know that YHVH is…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
Jesus is not only the King of kings but He is the Lord of lords. The OT Jews understood the Lord of the sabbath as YHVH, you realize this right? The OT Jews also understood the Lord of lords as YHVH, you realize this too, correct? The NT identifies the Lord of the sabbath as Jesus and that the Lord of lords as Jesus. So, that means that I…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block in the forum Truth or Tradition 9 years, 9 months ago
Nick, actually my “dogma” is scriptural. There is one God and one Lord together as YHVH. Deut 10:17
YHVH says it there.
Jesus tells us Himself, that they are one.
Deuteronomy 10:17
“For the LORD your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God who does not show partiality nor take a…[Read more]
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