t8,

It is suffice to say that you missed the point of my post. I was not saying that the unity of Father and Son were a family. I was pointing out to you that within a unity, there can be one person that is head of another person and those persons can be together as head over all the other members and also that those top two persons in authority…[Read more]

t8

you said:

For a start. Unity is with the Father, Son, and Church. Believers can be one with each other and with Christ and God. Just as the Father and the Son are one, so can we be too.

The truth is that we can be one with Jesus and God. But you make it all out to be God except for us. But if this unity you speak of makes one YHWH, then you…

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@Jael,

you said:

LU, so you mean that it was God that made Jesus ‘perfect’ in completing his works?

Wasn’t it JESUS who WAS PERFECTED …

How does the word ‘perfect’ (perfected) suddenly come to mean ‘completed’ in the context of the verse?

LU, scriptures says that Jesus BECAME PERFECT…

But you say that it says that Jesus COMPLETED ?!!

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t8

you said:

I make the distinction that God is higher than the one whom he made Lord of his creation.

The Christians believe that the Father is greater than the Son in authority too. They also believe that both are in unity as YHVH. There are various degrees of authority within the unity of marriage and within the unity of the church, and within…[Read more]

Hi Bo,

It’s been a while!

Islam is calling someone Jesus Christ that did not die on a cross and that wasn’t the Son of God. They have a different Jesus than the one who truly is the Christ. The true Christ was/is the actual Son of God, did die on a cross, was buried, and rose from the dead. Islam does not acknowledge the true Christ when they…[Read more]

@Jael

Hi Jael,

you asked:

You said something about Jesus being always perfect.

What does Hebrews 5: 8-9 say?

How does ‘AFTER…learning obedience …and being made perfect’ imply ‘was always perfect’?

That word “perfect” is used in a sense of having completed the task. It does not imply that Jesus was an imperfect person.

Read what the commenta…[Read more]

t8

you said:

I can grasp a 50 foot spaghetti monster

That would be a waste of time now wouldn’t it.

Spend time trying to grasp that there is One God the Father and one Lord, the Son , Jesus Christ.

After you let that sink in to your heart, grasp that YHVH is that one God and one Lord…Father and Son. Jesus really is a Son, a literal, true, Son…[Read more]

@Jack

Hi again,

you said to t8:

Oops! t8 overlooked that the Greek “kurios” (lord) is the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew YHWH.

I am wondering if kurios is always used for either the Father or the Son in scripture. Do you know?

@Jack

Hi again,

you said to t8:

Oops! t8 overlooked that the Greek “kurios” (lord) is the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew YHWH.

I am wondering if kurios is always used for either the Father or the Son in scripture. Do you know?

@Jack

Hello Jack, nice picture!

you said:

If the Father of Jesus is a father to him in the sense you say, then the Father MUST also have a father. Who would that be Kathi?

Why would you think that? Do you not agree that when someone is a begotten son, the default meaning would involve the bringing forth a true offspring? I understand there a…

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you said:

I believe that he was begotten by God as the first to be with him.

I agree. What I have tried to explain to you recently is that he must have already existed in some manner in order to have been begotten. This is my belief…a thing has to exist before it can be begotten. Would you agree with that?

t8, you asked:

Does this not mean to you that he was the son of God at that point and possibly earlier?

Yes, that is why I questioned you because you had in the past been claiming belief that He was the son even before creation. That comment did not have much faith behind it, just that it was “possible.”

It is by faith in what I experienced and…[Read more]

So you don’t deny that he may have been a son before creation, you just don’t think that scripture can alone, make that clear.

I’m sure that we lack so much in reading the Bible without the understanding of the Hebrews of the day. I do believe that they had the “Word of YHVH” in mind when John wrote John 1:1. Their understanding of the “Word of…[Read more]

That’s my point. That is why I asked. It was a reasonable follow up question to your comment, not something that should be called ‘desperate’ by any means. Thank you for clarifying that you aren’t sure if you believe that He was a son before creation.

@t8

My comment was not desperate, it was in response to your comment here (particularly what I made bold)

The Word was with God in the beginning. The Word became flesh and was called Jesus. He was born the messiah, savior, and Lord. He was the son of God at his birth in a manger. So he was the son at this point in the least.

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t8,

Rolling my eyes here…It is obvious by your statement of what you think I believe, that you do not take me seriously if you think that I teach that Jesus is God the Father. I have never taught that. You do not understand the term ‘unity.’

For some reason you cannot seem to grasp the idea of an eternal father having within him an offspring…[Read more]

@t8

So, now are you saying that Jesus was not a “son” when He was the Word of the LORD in the OT? I disagree. I believe that the one who called Himself the “Word of the LORD” was the true Son and existed before creation. Later that Word who was “with” God in the beginning and “was” God,  did not consider this form “of God” something to be…[Read more]

@t8

Not confused. LORD is a name that is used for the name YHVH, and that LORD is God of gods and Lord of lords. We have one Lord of lords and that is Jesus, we have one God of gods and that is the Father. YHVH is both God of gods and Lord of lords, two entities in unity…a father and a son.

Jesus always was YHVH with the Father, and that…[Read more]

Jael,

All other sons were not begotten, they were created, they are not the same type as the Father , just one son is…Jesus.

@Jael

you asked:

Oh, to the supporter of ‘beget’ doesn’t mean ‘beget’…To the implier that beget implies something already existing:

Were Cain and Abel already existing when Adam begat them?

Beget does mean beget.  Adam took part in the conception of Cain and Able. Before that conception, they did not exist. From the moment of conception,…[Read more]