@jael

you asked:

Lu, what IF Adam had not sinned – would there have been a SAVIOUR?

There would stll have been one who was equipped to be a savior if necessary. If He was not needing to save any lost, Adam et al, still needed Him to create them and care for them.

“Let US make man.”

@jael

Slow down cause you are getting very confused and confusing. You are having a supposed dialogue with me while supplying words as if they were mine but they are not like “procreate” and “incubate” and Jesus as an “adopted son” and “begotten of Him BEFORE eternity,” etc., etc.. Come out of your world of confusion young man. Ask me one…[Read more]

@Andrew

Thank you! It seems obvious that you and I can see things that Jael can’t.

@Jael

Please tell me what cult you are from that believes that Jesus is an adopted son of God.

@jael

you said:

WISDOM – a FEMININE engendered reference.

My response:

If you knew anything about Hebrew you would know that this concern of yours does not mean that ‘wisdom’ can’t represent a male figure. Go ahead and do a study on how the Hebrew language applies gender to nouns. Educate yourself.

Regarding the full chapter of Prov. 8, t…[Read more]

@jael

I am going to try to make this as plain as I can for you.

The Son is BOTH the firstborn over all creation AND the firstborn from the dead.

He became the firstborn over all creation BEFORE all things were created through Him, thus He was begotten from the Father before creation during eternity past.

And much later….

He became the firstb…[Read more]

@jael

I’m curious Jael, do you NOW UNDERSTAND that there is documentation that “today I have begotten you” refers to the resurrection day? And if you now do in fact understand this, do you want to apologize for this incredible insult of yours which I will quote here:

You said:

Lu, can you also explain how you come to believe that psalm 2 is…

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@jael

you said:

Explain what you mean by ‘They are not  words found in the original manuscript’.

I already have explained this to you. The correct translation of the words in the original manuscript is:

YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU.

@jael

you said:

Lu, what do you say to the declaration by the saints of scriptures that Jesus was ‘Begotten’ at his being raised from the dead?

I say: I have been telling this to you. I have shown you that the word ‘begotten’ can not mean ‘brought into existence’ since the Son had to exist in order to have been begotten from the dead. So when we…[Read more]

@jael

you said:

Lu, what do you say to the declaration by the saints of scriptures that Jesus was ‘Begotten’ at his being raised from the dead?

I say: I have been telling this to you. I have shown you that the word ‘begotten’ can not mean ‘brought into existence’ since the Son had to exist in order to have been begotten from the dead. So when we…[Read more]

@t8

It seems like we agree 🙂 🙂 🙂 on the possibility that the Son emptied Himself of His memory which the Father released back to Him as He grew in wisdom, a portion at a time.

You said:

He may even had to learn who he really was.

Does it seem to you that after Jesus rose and sent the Holy Spirit, that knowledge of who Jesus actually was…[Read more]

I had to google the term, Ed J, it sounded familiar though. I do recall the lion shall lie down with the lamb also.

The lion shall lie down with the lamb

President Trump gave a great speech last night and certainly mentioned God as creator, without waivering.

Trump acted much more dignified which I expected since he is not competing against someone for the office anymore. According to the prophecy, I expect Trump to grow leaps and bounds in his faith so much that we will all witness his closer…[Read more]

President Trump gave a great speech last night and certainly mentioned God as creator without waivering

. Trump acted much more dignified which I expected since he is not competing against someone for the office anymore. According to the prophecy, I expect Trump to grow leaps and bounds in his faith so much that we will all witness his closer…[Read more]

Jael

Because of what you said here:

Nurture… Compassion … Love… Subordination… These are some aspects that are highly prominent in a woman over anything like the equivalent in a man (male).

I know LU won’t like that last part – but truth doesn’t have preference over who should believe it.

@jael

My husband is the head over me to protect me, to love me, and serve me well as Christ does for the church. Why would I have a problem with that protocol, unless the husband failed in that position and was abusive in some way, but if he does as he was designed by God to do, well, there are no complaints from me. Before I was married, my…[Read more]

@jael

My husband is the head over me to protect me, to love me, and serve me well as Christ does for the church. Why would I have a problem with that protocol, unless the husband failed in that position and was abusive in some way, but if he does as he was designed by God to do, well, there are no complaints from me? Before I was married, my…[Read more]

@t8 you have made things so complicated. Just keep it simple, my friend. That which is begotten, existed before it was begotten. I think we have agreed on this point.

Now with that understood, we can acknowledge that the Son existed before He was begotten before creation.

Since a fatherless, eternal father is an oxymoron, we can understand that…[Read more]

t8

You did well to get to this point: you said, “Yes we existed before being born.”

This is also what I said about the matter:

If the act of begetting takes something that exists and moves it to another place, then obviously the actual begetting does not make something come into existence.

You said: “But to say that born rules out any…[Read more]